Beau Cremer

A crushed can that heals, a coin that melts through metal, dinner pulled from a menu, and water that keeps turning into wine, this is the kind of night Beau Cremer builds from everyday objects. We invited Beau to share his desert‑island tricks and the result is a playful, punchy roadmap for close‑up magic that lasts beyond one performance. No glitter boxes. No over-talking. Just believable items doing unbelievable things.

We kick off with the can trilogy: Anders Moden’s Healed and Sealed, Wayne Houchin’s Sinful, and Jay Sankey’s Stretcher. One can, many miracles, sound, sight, and touch all working to sell reality. From there, Beau serves Food to Go, producing burgers and drinks from a tri‑fold menu, then pours a round of astonishment with Magic Dream’s Infinity W, a repeatable water‑to‑wine transformation that feels iconic yet casual enough for a kitchen counter or a tiki‑style beach bar.

For downtime, Sure Shot becomes the most addictive “one more time” dice piece you’ll ever carry, and a single deck powers an endlessly fresh stream of mind-reading and reveals through the “key card” principle. The finale is The Grail by Mike Rose, fast, direct, and devastating, a rare card at any number that keeps the focus on the moment, not the method. Along the way, Beau plants two flagpoles: stop over justifying props (trust the object, not the disclaimer) and keep your creative fuel topped up with the Vanish Magazine collection for bite‑sized essays, interviews, and routines.

We even crown a non‑magic MVP: coconuts. Think shell game covers, ring‑in‑coconut reveals, nest‑of‑coconuts, and instant refreshments, all story‑rich and situationally perfect. And when Beau names the one creative partner he’d bring to the island, you’ll see how collaboration turns simple materials into repeatable wonder.

If you love organic magic, creative thinking, and routines that hit hard without clunky props, this one’s for you. Press play, then tell us: which everyday object would anchor your dream set? Subscribe, share with a magician friend, and leave a review to help more listeners find the show.

Beau’s Desert Island Tricks: 

1. Healed and Sealed
2. Sinful
3. Stretcher Jay Sankey 
4. Food to go 
5. Infinity W
6. Sure Shot 
7. Deck of Cards 
8. The Grail 

Banishment. Over justifying props 

Book. Vanish Magazine 

Item. Coconuts 

Find out more about the creators of this Podcast at www.alakazam.co.uk

Chapters

• 0:00 A Surprise Format And Guest Reveal Tease
• 1:31 Introducing Bo Kramer And His Work
• 2:40 The Flood Of New Magic And Content
• 4:45 Bo’s Desert Island Concept For Magic
• 6:35 Pick 1: Healed And Sealed Explained
• 10:40 Pick 2: Sinful And The Comic-Book Method
• 14:45 Learning Styles, Anxiety, And Visual Teaching
• 18:05 Pick 3: Sankey’s Stretcher And Can Set Closer
• 22:40 Pick 4: Food To Go And Making Meals Appear
• 26:40 Pick 5: Infinity W And Water To Wine
• 31:30 Who Would Join Bo On The Island
• 33:45 Pick 6: Sure Shot And Addictive Dice Magic
• 37:55 Pick 7: A Deck Of Cards And Key Card Mastery
• 42:05 Pick 8: The Grail And Why It Destroys
• 47:10 Banishment: Stop Overjustifying Props
• 50:15 Book Choice: Vanish Magazine Collection
• 53:00 Non‑Magic Item: Coconuts As Swiss‑Army Props
• 55:45 The Magical Friend Revealed: Tom Elderfield
• 58:20 Where To Find Bo And Closing

Transcript

SPEAKER_02: 0:00

But we do have a surprise choice that we've just put into this first podcast ever.

SPEAKER_01: 0:05

Yeah, who else are you having on the island to go along with you on the ride? My person would be I think he is such an incredible mind with magic. I've never spent a time with him. He's such got such an incredible energy as well. So if we're on this island, we think all hope's lost. Our pen hasn't arrived back with the boat yet. We've sent it out and no one's arrived yet. He has that energy to kind of keep everyone motivated and happy, but also the ideas that he can come up with in magic. He's such an inspiration to like sit with. He'd probably be like, Coconuts, dude, we could do this with coconuts. I'm like, you could what now with coconuts? And he can build like that within an hour. He'd have props working. I love watching him build so and him create and him perform. Like he's such an incredible performer, too. He's one of the one of the guys I definitely have on the island, I think, with me. Um, I'm sorry, everyone else that's tuning in and listening and going, well, well, well, send me an email. What's your what's your email, Jamie, and we'll get him to email you. Bo Kramer.

SPEAKER_02: 1:28

One, and that will tell you that we have a very special guest. Now, today's guest is someone that we've wanted to get on for a while, but to say he's busy is an understatement. Uh, as soon as you see the title and you know who it is, you know why. Uh, pretty much you'll see him on your socials, probably more than Harry. Um, and that's saying something. But today's guest, of course, is an incredible magician, creator. You know that he works for Murphys as well. He's created some incredible tricks like uh confabogram, we've got low-key, paper cut, bookless book test, iTime Rewind, and tons more. He's just told me I'm not gonna be able to say, but he's got some great things in the works as well. Um, so look out for them because they are gonna be phenomenal. Today's guest, of course, is the wonderful Bo Kramer. How are you, Bo? Hey, mate, how are you doing?

SPEAKER_01: 2:22

Good thanks, good thanks. How's things to do?

SPEAKER_02: 2:24

Good, very good. Well, very good now that you are here. Um thank you for having me on. I appreciate it. Well, I'm very excited because obviously you work for Murphy's. Uh, we see you on at least 25,000 videos a week. Yeah, you gotta do it. And that means that you are absolutely inundated with tricks every single day.

SPEAKER_01: 2:48

I am, I am. Uh there's you know what it's like working with Alakazam as well. There's not, it used to be you know, one trick every month or every three months or every six months. Now you're getting multiple tricks a day. You know, sometimes 10, 15 new tricks coming out every single day. So you're seeing those and all of them flying across the desk. And uh it's it's a it's a roller coaster, it's an adventure to see all this incredible magic just coming out, all these creative people getting involved, which is awesome to see. I absolutely love it. Like, I get I to be honest, I get sidetracked a lot by looking at the new magic when I should be doing content. And then I look and I'm like, oh, it's 6 p.m. Well, I'm knocking off for the day. I've just spent my whole day looking at trailers and tutorials. Thanks, guys. Uh and then then I just put out a TikTok reel and then I go to bed.

SPEAKER_02: 3:36

Well, it's easily done. It is so easily done. Um, not that I would confess to that um on record. Uh, but yes, absolutely. Mr.

SPEAKER_01: 3:44

Murphy, if you're watching, I am I work really hard.

SPEAKER_02: 3:47

Um, so I'm very excited to hear your list. Now, the truth is I've been a little bit sly with you, and I've done it with a couple of our previous guests, in that I've actually been listening to another one of Bo's podcasts. So, a shout out to another podcast, which is podcast at the car table. Um, Corey, he is doing a phenomenal job. Uh, if you like Magic Podcast, do go check that out. It's a phenomenal podcast, but I'm about an hour into yours at the moment. So I have sort of an insight into the way you think, and maybe where we're gonna go. I know, and again, I'm not trying to get anything out of you before your list comes out, but I know that you are more akin to a gimmick rather than maybe slight. So I think that we're gonna have some wicked gimmicky sort of things in here. I know that your influences are quite whimsical, so I think we're probably gonna have a couple of whimsical tricks in there, maybe things transforming, um, maybe a couple of penetration tricks or one penetration trick, maybe. Um, so I'm not I'm not gonna go anymore, but that's my guess. On record, that is my guess.

SPEAKER_01: 4:58

Mate, I kind of want to hear what you've got because you're not I think you know me better than I know myself. I was I went into this in a rabbit hole. Like when you asked me back at um Blackpool to be on the podcast, and we were discussing, I've been thinking about it, and I watched the podcast, and I've been seeing other magicians talk about it. And it's really interesting to see what magicians say. And then I when we first when we finally started to chat and lock down today's date, and I started like research what I would talk about, even to like I think maybe what's the time? 1:30, about an hour ago, I changed one of the tricks because I was like, what would I want to do? I started to fall into this rabbit hole of on a desert or on a deserted island, what are we gonna do? And originally it was like from other podcasts, people were talking about stage effects and stage routines they'd be doing, or close-up, or their favorite tricks that they couldn't live without. And I kind of fell into this uh kind of like a very situational. I think that's what kind of like when you're saying, like, how I would want to, if I'm gonna be on a desert island, how would I kind of want to live there for the rest of my life? And about a week ago, I came to like this realization that I would want to do it the way I did it when I went camping. So this came about and I was like, oh, how would I want to, what would I want to do? And I remembered I went camping about 15 years ago, 16 years ago with some mates. We went on a fishing camping trip. And then there was some, you know, when you go out with mates and they're like, I want to see a trick, I want to see a trick. I I'm very much a type of magician that uh doesn't like to go, okay, cool. You want to, we're out fishing and camping. I'm gonna uh pull out cups and balls, just because it seems very out of place for what we're doing. I like to have it feel like uh I guess if you've seen a TV magic show where they go do tricks with coffee cups and things in the cafe, it's very planted, it's meant for that situation, that location. So I kind of went with that style, and then also dabbled in it with just some things for me, because I'm like, I just love these pieces of magic. But most of my pieces of magic that I'm talking about today are things, I'm just looking at my list now, are things that I think I know when I did it on the camping trip, that's what the guys kept asking to see. And then there were also um these pieces that I'd want to include if we were a on a stranded island. So I hope that sets the scene of like, you know, we're flying through or washed up on the beach from a boat wreck, me and a couple of random people wake up and how are we gonna get through? How are we gonna live on the island? How am I gonna keep them entertained? Uh and I won't say anything else.

SPEAKER_02: 7:48

Well, do you think, and here's my theory, someone in your position, do you reckon that your list would change more than the average performers because of the amount of content that's coming in? Do you reckon this time next year your list would be the same?

SPEAKER_01: 8:04

Absolutely, absolutely. And I think what I have a tendency to do too, like, I don't perform. I haven't performed like, well, when I say perform, I perform all the time, but I don't perform in like paid gigs. Like I don't do walk-around corporate gigs anymore. I haven't done that in maybe 10 years. It just it's social anxiety, it just stresses me out. Um, so like I said, my my way I normally perform, you should see our lounge room, it's filled full of magic. But just like hidden into random places. Like I got shine three, like a globe just sitting in like a lampshade. It's it's turned off. But when friends come over, I have it turn on, and then halfway through like the conversations, the bus just catching up, the globe goes out, and then I'll like take the globe out and put it on the uh the coffee table. I'm like, oh, can you just hold on to that while I go get a new globe? And all of a sudden it just turns on. I like to break up moments with pieces of magic. Um I just look down, I like that's what caught my attention. I've got like a prawn on my desk. It's from like Jeff Kayler, and I carry this in my pocket everywhere I go. Because I saw Jeff. Jeff Kayler was probably my biggest inspiration for like breaking up moments with magic. Um, I remember him him taking this out at went for dessert one night and he took it out of his chocolate cake. And he was like to all ladies, there's a prawn in my chocolate cake. And she's like, What? And he just kept making it multiplying. He's like, How many prawns are in here? And it's just a really weird moment. And I like having that be something that people don't expect from you know just everyday life. So absolutely looking at this list in the way, like I said, even to like an hour ago, I was still changing it. In a year's time, this list would be completely different. There'd probably be holograms in here the next year. Everything's AI. Yeah, that'd be this is this whole interview would be AI next year. So uh there you go.

SPEAKER_02: 9:53

We're gonna be talking about this all day, right? So let's get into the concept. So if this is your first time listening, the idea is that we're about to maroon boat on his very own desert island. When he's there, he's allowed to take eight tricks, banish one item, take one book and non one non-magic item that he uses for magic. Particulars, who's there, what's there, other animals there, all of that good stuff. We do not mind. We might be able to just pick up that entire shed and ship it there. Um, we do not mind it, it's all in his own imagination. So, Bo, let's go to your magical island now and find out what you put in position one.

SPEAKER_01: 10:25

Well, I'm gonna do some like ASMR say everyone close your eyes, imagine we're washing up on the beach. But the thing, the first thing I'd want to want to do, so I imagined when we wash up on the island, there's a lot of debris around, right? And the first thing I would see, and I still do this to this day, if I go out and I see this at a party or something, I'm going straight in. I'm gonna I'm prepping it and I'm performing it. It's healed and sealed by Anders Morton. I love that effect. And if I saw a crushed can on the beach, I'd wait for someone to be, hey, I'm thirsty. I'm like, I gotcha, I got you, babe. Pick it up and have that bad boy reseal, re-heal, crack it, and have infinite beverages, infinite beverages. Uh I would love that. And I think that's the thing. When, like I said, when we went on that camping trip before, that was one of the things all the guys were doing. They would like have their cans of like, hey, I'm thirsty. So anything from like your beers or your soft drinks, your fizzy drinks. I uh think that would be a thing that I would love to have people see and not get sick of. Because I'm thinking, if we're stuck on this island, how many times can I um have their card appear at the top of the deck? Like if I'm doing some ambitious cards, are they gonna get sick of that by the end of the day one? Or if they're gonna have me getting crushed hands and re-healing them every single time, how far can we go down that rabbit hole and then have them enjoy that piece of magic and staying well hydrated? So I think that's the first thing I'd want. I don't know if that's and you're probably gonna start to notice a kind of I guess theme here with these ideas, but yes, that's definitely something I'd want to have performed for people and keep performing for people because I enjoy it as much as I, like I said, I walk out, I see it, and I need to perform it as much as I can. I love Hilden Sealed, it's one of my favorites.

SPEAKER_02: 12:16

It's one of the ones that was around, I think when I was a teenager, this came out. It was a very long time ago now, and it really has just lasted the test of time. I think there was a marketed version, um, maybe it was Theory Eleven.

SPEAKER_01: 12:29

The Hilden Sealed and then 2.0 as well that came out.

SPEAKER_02: 12:33

And it's such a good trick, it's amazing.

SPEAKER_01: 12:35

Mate, insane. So much so that the Masked Magician had to do his own version. And I think there was like, yeah, it's uh it's such a popular trick. I don't know, that's what I mean. Like to this day, I'm not even kidding. My mates that have seen me do it will go to a party or we'll go out for a night, and one of them will see a can. I'm like, hey Bo, do the thing, and they'll hand me a crush can. I'm like, yeah, sure, no worries.

SPEAKER_02: 12:57

Some of our newer magicians may not have even heard of this. That's oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 13:02

One thing I love about um I was chatting to a magician the other day about Murphy's, and I started resharing older stuff, and yet the newer magicians going, what is this brand new trick? And all these magicians are going, Oh, it's a classic. So it's so good that there's so many new people coming into magic every single year or every single day that haven't seen magic before. And there's like you said, there's so many things that get forgotten about, people don't remember. So to keep that alive and keep the classics around for people to enjoy and experience brand new. Or you know, you could have done healed and sealed 10 years ago, completely forgotten about it. And then someone shows you and you're like, I forgot about that piece of magic. Because you you grow and adapt and you change in your magic style, and to see it again and go, I want to do this again, and go out and start performing it. Like, I think that's one thing that I love about doing what I do because I get to go through the archives and experiencing the old stuff, and then coming back out and going, I want to do this again. So um, yes, I uh it's one of the classics, I think it's gonna be around for many years to come because I don't think there's ever gonna be a time where cans are not gonna be readily available.

SPEAKER_02: 14:12

No AI cans. Um, what I really love about Hilden Sealed is the organicness of the method, and there are very few tricks over the many years where the prop is the trick, and I remember there there used to be a fantastic trick by Andrew Main where two bills melted through each other in super slow-mo. And I remember discovering the method of that, and there were no gimmicks. There was no gimmick, it was just the uh uh something that you do to the prop to allow it to work, and that's what I absolutely loved about Hilden Sealed, and I think it was one of the first tricks that I ever discovered where the method was it's it's just the can. It's just the can.

SPEAKER_01: 15:00

It's the science and the whole yeah, we're not trying to give away methods and how it works, it's just how every you what you get off the shelf is exactly all you need. There's other some other little things to like help get you there, but uh it's just one of those, like you said, one of those methods that just lets you uh I'm trying not to give away how it works. It's so hard when you're like, you know, this is on a public forum. But it's one of those things where the method is just as good as the effect itself because you once you know how it works and you get reminded of that every time you perform it. And I don't think I'm I haven't taught anyone I've probably taught like you know one or two magicians that are like new to magic and we like kind of we're hanging out, we you know share ideas or they've heard about it, but uh you know, a lot of these uh effects are discontinued now, or they're hard to find, and um you kind of we we collab on ideas, but it's one of those things when you tell someone or you kind of like hint at how it's how it works, just their eyes light up of the method, and that that's all it was, like you said, like with the the bills, they they they get a giggle going. You're like, yeah, that's all it is, that's all it is, and it's one of those oh man, I'm getting excited now. I want to go perform it.

SPEAKER_02: 16:18

Yeah, I agree. I think it's just a super if it if you've not heard of it, please do go check it out because it's a phenomenal piece of magic. But it does lead us into number two. So, what, Mr. Bo Kramer, is in your second position?

SPEAKER_01: 16:32

Wolf. Now, well, this kind of leads on to that first object. Now, when you get this object, it comes from one of my favorite books of all time. Um, if you had been listening to podcasts at the card table, you probably know where I'm going with this. It's one of those effects that I still perform to this day. It's one of those effects I absolutely love. And I think if you have a can, what are you gonna do with it now? Are you gonna have some fun with that person they've just seen it heal up? How what are you gonna get into next? And I'll do Sinful by Wayne Houchin. I would love, I just love the idea of something penetrating, an object. There you go. You talk about penetration before, and I was like, there we go, that's the one. I love that idea of having maybe some shells or whatever's on the beach or some coins or some objects lying around from the spectators just lying around and having that go into the can. And again, super organic. There's no crazy gimmicks to this. It's literally a can and a coin or a shell going inside that bad boy. There's no gimmicks to it, which is funny because we talk about how I love a gimmick, but the gimmicks themselves are the objects themselves. So simple as a bit of slight, but ultimately it's this beautiful piece of magic. And if you haven't seen it, um, it's where you take an ordinary can, there's nothing funny about it, an ordinary coin, again, nothing funny about it. And you take that coin, you put it into the can, you can shake the can, the spectator can hear it inside. Then when you crack it open and pour out the liquid or drink the liquid out, inside is the coin and it's stuck in there. Just a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful piece of magic. Um, I don't think you can get any more organic and natural. Like, I love a good coining can. There's so many out there that have good gimmicks with them, like incredible gimmicks. But sometimes you get caught out. Sometimes you don't have some magic on you, so what can you do organically with objects around you? So I couldn't live without sinful. These are these things I keep coming back to, and that's what I was at the end of this. It's like, what do I always do when I'm stuck somewhere and I haven't got anything around me? So sinful all the way, baby.

SPEAKER_02: 18:40

Yeah, this is a phenomenal choice. I kind of guessed that this one was in there um based on the other podcast. Um but regardless of that, I think this was also one that started a wave of coin and can routines. Uh it was certainly one of the ones very, very early on. And like you said, it follows suit with Hilled and Sealed because the method is kind of choreography, I guess, would be the best way of putting that. It's a series of events that allows the magic to work. But also like the fact that uh when you put the coin in, you can then shake the can, and there's there's just a lovely moment where you can hear the coin in the can.

SPEAKER_01: 19:23

And the liquid sloshing about. It's oh so is this something that you've always performed? Yes, yeah, ever since I got the the booklet. So if you haven't seen, it's like a comic book style uh tutorial. Like he goes through the routine, you see how it's meant to perform, and even in the routine in the book, it's super organic. Like the routine that Houchard runs through in the book. He's just performing on stage, and someone has to see a trick, and a waiter's going by with some rubbish from a cleared-up table, and he takes that coin of the the can off the thing and performs it that way. It's such a beautiful, beautiful piece of magic. And then the whole thing is explained with pictures and comics. If you love comic books, definitely it spoke to me and being super simple to read and follow along. Like I learned it from that, and it was so easy to learn. Uh, still one of my favorite books. And I remember meeting Wayne back in Melbourne years ago, and I took it to him. I just wanted to tell him how much I love the book because he has uh an incredible artist friend that does a lot of his animations and worked on the book. But he's like, he's like worked how to work with him quite closely, and it does I think he's done like other animations for shows and stuff. So from that I like fell in love with this other artist as well and his content. But man, it's such a such a good book to read and learn from.

SPEAKER_02: 20:47

I think it makes it more approachable for people that aren't as who struggle with reading books. I think the that that comic book, the bite-sized chunks where it's just visual and it's easy to see what's going on. I think that more books really, certainly from younger creators, should really push that and and and expand on it.

SPEAKER_01: 21:11

Yeah, absolutely. I uh I struggle quite a lot with reading and writing. Um if you watch any of the raw content of me shooting Murphy's videos, they go for only for like 20 minutes when you're watching them. They take me like an hour and a half, two hours to record. Because I just can't get my script out or I can't get my words out. Um, I'm reading it on screen and then I forget how to pronounce that word, how to say it, what am I reading? Um it just it turns into a bit of a struggle. So to have um Sinful the way it was, it was so easy to follow along. And that's probably already given you an idea for what kind of books I'm gonna be talking about later. Uh it's definitely not gonna be a very big encyclopedia of magic. I I do have a few of them back there, they're literally just there. I try and read through them, but I'm very, very slow at reading them because I'm constantly trying to get those words out. Um by then, I'm struggling with words. I'm kind of going back and what is this word? Then I have to Google it. And uh then I'm like, oh yeah, I know what that word is, but it doesn't look like what I think it is on screen. It's just uh oh man, I'm getting sweaty thinking about reading now, but it's uh Sinful definitely helped with that situation. There are books that do have you know the graphics in them, but it'll be just one image of a figure 19 and it'll be like a hand like this, and you're like, okay, that was mentioned four paragraphs ago. So much has happened in there, but how to was like step-by-step in image with text, very simple bite-sized text. Um, such an easy way to learn. Um, I enjoyed that. I think if, yeah, like you said, if there was more books like that nowadays, it could definitely help with a lot of people that are having those that that struggle. I think that's why I guess magic tutorials video helped out a lot of people that they didn't have to read it, they didn't have like people that were struggling with that or wanted to follow along a bit more visually. Uh, if a book was kind of like more along those lines, you'd I'd I'd definitely be diving way more into books. I'd be definitely getting rid of video because I just love the whole idea. I love books, I love the idea of books, but uh the reading is what knocks me out for six, so buy some images to follow. That's exactly what I would do. Maybe I need to start writing the books. You any good at artwork?

SPEAKER_02: 23:26

There you go. Well, there's a a public call out. Anyone uh that wants to do Bo's artwork for his book, call out now. Uh but no, I agree, I absolutely agree. I think that it takes all different people to learn in different ways. And I actually think that the rise of media over the years means that our brains are probably programmed completely differently now, anyway. So we all learn differently. Um, but just in terms of the two tricks that you've picked as well, Hilden Sealed and Sinful, um super organic so far, and it's interesting that they both follow on from each other, which is kind of cool. I feel like I'm in a hidden camera show, and this is like the the trick that you're gonna do in your hidden camera show too everything.

SPEAKER_01: 24:09

Yeah, well, number three is probably not gonna get you too much further from that gimmick, but this is the last one for that prop, though, too. I started to fall into this thing of like, where can I go with it and what can I do with this this prop? Where else can I take it?

SPEAKER_02: 24:24

I'm trying to think of what other can tricks that it could be now.

SPEAKER_01: 24:28

Oh, there's so many. There was there's Rise by Sean Scott, where you could crush it and have it pop up. This I mean, I fell into a big thing. I fell into this where, like, what could you do? That's why I love that you could do multiple things with one object. I don't want to just have like a hey, here's a trick. Oh, let's move on, let's leave this piece of miracle that I just happened to do something with, and then move on to something else. I love to have that object keep snowballing and have it involved as much as I can. Because I think uh I had Paul DeBeck once say to me, like, if you have a piece of object, like you know, a lot of times people have rope around something, or uh they have yeah, they use an object in a piece of magic and then they just get it and drop it on the ground. That's something you used to creative magic with. That was something impossible, and you're just discarding it like it was nothing. I kind of like having that this thing that's insane for the spectator, that someone's just seen something crazy happen and still giving that to them and letting them experience more with that prop. They walk away and go, I saw this the craziest things with one can. And I kind of like that idea that's you know it's giving that prop more love and more life than just one thing and then discarding it forever.

SPEAKER_02: 25:42

I'm still trying to work out what it could be. I don't know. Let's find out. So, what did you put in your third position?

SPEAKER_01: 25:47

Well, uh, if I were to hint at a Canadian magician with glasses and bald, he's been around for many, many years. You're probably people in the if you're watching right now, you're probably already in the chat going, Jamie, Jamie!

SPEAKER_02: 26:02

So Canadian, um so the only one that I can think of is Jay Sankey. 100% Jay Senke, yeah. Yeah, okay, cool.

SPEAKER_01: 26:09

Yeah, uh Jay Senke Stretcher, the DVD, where he does, I think it's like 10, 15 effects with one can. There's obviously some gimmicks involved with this, which there we go, my gimmicks are coming into play. But ultimately, moving hole, that was a really cool one. So if you again, if you haven't seen um Stretcher by Jay Senke, I is it still out? I don't know. Um, I have the DVD back there somewhere. Uh it's incredible. There's so much good magic in there. There's an effect called Moving Hole where you take, weirdly enough, the hole on the top of the can, you move it, um, which is a really cool visual. And there's unstabbed, which again is comes into that penetration that I love. But I thought organically on the island, if you were to take a can and a stick and stab it and then pull the stick back out, and then it's now no longer stabbed, it's just a really cool visual as well. So something organic you could do with props and stuff on the island that I think is just incredible DVD with so much good magic you can learn from for a can.

SPEAKER_02: 27:16

Well, I think that's a great choice. It's it's one that I you've just sparked my memory. So it's one of those ones that I I, if I'm entirely honest, completely forgot about. And then as you started talking about it, I was like, oh my god, I can can remember it. I did just Google it to see if it's still available. Um, I'm not sure if there's a download version of it. Surely there is nowadays. Uh or maybe Sankey still sells it instead of. Sankey, bring it back, baby. I know, yeah. No, that's a great shout. But I'm gonna put you on the spot. So let's say you've done these three tricks, right? How are you closing out with this prop? What's gonna happen to this can?

SPEAKER_01: 27:52

See, this is where I'd probably get creative. If I've got time on the island, I'd probably I'd want to do something like Can Spose. The old Can Spose, remember that? If I were to like do more tricks and if I were to like say I don't uh Can Spose is a different gimmick, but I'd probably try to come up with my own gimmick, so a version of Can's Post where I would have a spectacle like I've been using this can of Coca-Cola for the whole. By the way, we're not sponsored by Coca-Cola, uh Coca-Cola for this whole set, and then at the end have a spectator name a drink, and then at the end pour that glass of milk out of the can or something, which I guess cancels out other methods for other tricks if you're going to be using milk. Um, like if you're doing sinful, I guess you couldn't be showing the can off in there. But you know what I mean? Like if there were, oh man, there's I'm kind of like canceling out the routines in the set now. But I'd probably do, I reckon with sinful, I'd probably do Sinful would be the last one I would do. I'd probably do like um unstabbed, and then the one before would be Sinful, and I'd be like, the coin's in there, it's gone. But like now, name me a drink, and I go Fanta. And I'm like, how crazy is that? That you said Fanta, we've done this whole thing, we've had a crush Coke can heal up, we've like stabbed the can, it's re-healed itself. We've now taken a coin or a shell, we've put it in this this coke can. You can see you hear it's in there, and you just named Fanta. Crack it, pull the Fanta out. So there's Fanta, and then the coin sealed on top. People are like, What? I think if you saw that, would you get sick of seeing that every day? Maybe. You probably just go, just give me, just give me my can of coke. That's all I want. I don't want a 15 minute set, but I don't think you'd probably get sick of that too often. You might, you know, you what else you got doing on the island? Looking at turtles? Although turtles are pretty dope.

SPEAKER_02: 29:50

There they are. I see my my head would go to blue sky thinking, right? So let let's just talk about the the the best. Outcome. I love the idea that you do your set with this can and then you write down like an SOS note, you roll it up, you put it in the can, and you throw it into the sea, and then three days later a boat comes along and they come up and they've got the can and they found the note inside or something like that. Or a bit like um you know uh in Derek Delgodio's show where he puts the brick down and then he gets someone to name a place and then it disappears. Maybe you put the can, you cover it with leaves, it disappears, and you say to them, Where where should this come from? New York? Great. And then a boat sails in and they're like, Where are you from?

SPEAKER_01: 30:39

New York, we found this on the Oh yeah, like a master prediction box. You like write down a uh prediction on the thing and wait for the boat to arrive and then where did this boat come in from? Yeah, you write a master prediction with the people, and when the boat arrives, everything's revealed on that piece of paper. I I love the idea of throwing it in the water, that's cool, and then having it float away and having that be your salvation.

SPEAKER_02: 31:02

I feel like we've gone way too far into this. This isn't a real unless we're gonna do like we're all gonna go to your island.

SPEAKER_01: 31:09

Yeah, you'll see me on Tom Hanks and a volleyball, and we'll be doing a magic version. Could you imagine a magic spin-off castaway? That'd be oh, what a treat.

SPEAKER_02: 31:19

Sponsored by Murphy's Magic. So let's go on to number four. So, what was in your fourth spot?

SPEAKER_01: 31:26

Okay, so what you've just you've just had your fill of beverages. You've you've you've all hydrated, you're feeling good, but now you're hungry. What do you got around you? Nothing. All the food's been ruined, it's disgusting. It's just like the food's been wet from lying on the sand. It's disgusting. You're not gonna eat it, but there are some menus sitting around. Hmm. So Food to Go by George Iglesias and Twister Magic. Um, food to go is an incredible piece of magic. If you haven't seen it before, you show a menu that's like a three-bifold menu, show it, you know, all around. Then when you fold it up, you reach inside and you pull out, you could pull out a can if you wanted to. Uh go straight back into that routine again. Or you pull out food, you could pull out burger, chips, um, and a whole bunch of different food from it. Um, you're kind of tired to whatever's in the image because you're gonna pull that out. But if uh you have a bit of time, you could, I guess, make your own. I've made different versions for different shows in the past, um, which is a cool, it's a very cool idea of having um a uh, I guess a visual image of something sealed in an image and then having that now as a physical item that you can hand out. I guess you'd have to have multiple menus because once it's gone from oh, once you open it up, it's completely gone from the image too. I have to say that. Like it's no longer an image too. If you wanted to perform this several times, you'd have to have multiple menus. Otherwise, you're gonna be running out of stuff pretty soon. But I think that's a cool way to like serve food. That's why we I did do it at the camping trip. We had like a night where we had like burgers and stuff, and I had everyone's burgers come from a menu. And I think that'd be kind of fun for your beach goers, your maroonies, um, to enjoy uh how to get their food. And again, if I had food delivered to me like that every single day, I probably wouldn't get sick of it. I'd love watching it. These are a lot of a lot of this magic stuff that I'm talking about today are pieces of magic that I absolutely adore to watch as well. Like every time I see a magician perform one of these, even though I know the method, like we talked about with Healed and Sealed, I'm watching from start to finish because I'm like, this is such a good piece of magic. So definitely food to go. Uh, and I believe that came in Food2Go and then Food2Go 2.0 as well. And I think George also has different versions now, which is not just the takeaway menu. I think there's a whole bunch of different menus now that you can do with food to go. They're called different things now. But yeah, that's what I would do as number four.

SPEAKER_02: 34:04

Yeah. Um, but I can imagine I remember years and years ago uh watching Cyril on TV going up to the board on the outside and the burger and reaching in and pulling the burger out. I can imagine this is like a practical way of doing that and making this this thing just come alive in front of someone. Um, I've just looked at pictures of it, it looks phenomenal.

SPEAKER_01: 34:26

Yeah, it's a really cool piece of magic. It's one of those things I remember seeing when I first started in magic. And back when you were still kind of like young and you didn't know the methods, and to this point, I still look at it when I like again, I see someone perform it, and performed as one of those effects that you can perform and you still get fooled by because it just looks so clean. It's very personal, you can do it up close for your spectators, right in front of them. Like you're handing them the it takes that street TV-esque style performance that you would see Cyril doing on the screen and puts it in the hands of the spectators. It's one of those classics, again, that's coming back in of an organic piece of magic that looks super clean, super um visual, and what again, it's hard for me to perform now because I have to uh I'd if I have that menu sitting in my house, it kind of looks, I guess, out of place sitting in a lounge room. And again, not with my situation. So I would if I were to do it, which we've done it for TV and stuff, we've done it, we've created custom menus, but I would very much if I had my own house, I'd make up a funny menu to sit in my kitchen. And then after we've like done weird stuff in the lounge room, we'd move to the kitchen to make a cup of tea and then ask them if they're hungry and pull out cookies out of a picture and stuff, you know. Just that super situational magic. I think that's kind of what that plays into. And I think that works a lot really well with Food2Go.

SPEAKER_02: 35:55

Even looking at your previous ones, it's just another one of those organic sort of right place, right time, super organic what the just happened. Um but do you know what to something that you just said? You mentioned about the people on your island, right? Yes. So we've never done this before, but I don't know why we don't do this. We should totally do this from now on. What so two questions? Not that they're capped. I'm not saying that the these people are are are forced to be on this island with you. But number one, what would your your group of people be would be called? Like what would they be called? And what would your island be called?

SPEAKER_01: 36:34

Oh, this is this is hard. Now when we get into like lost territory, because it becomes of like if we were okay, so when I originally started this, I thought of it kind of like the boat was with friends, so it was a whole bunch of friends, but like relatives and stuff as well. Like we're all kind of it wasn't like a PO cruise liner that went down. It was like, you know, we're out on a fishing trip, it was a whole bunch of mates. Um, we got some family there. Uh, so we're all quite close. So I would probably say I know myself and my friends quite love Lost, and probably trying to think of the other version of different people from Lost. We probably called ourselves the others, you know. I wouldn't want to go with like Jack and everyone. I would want to be a little bit of the mysterious kind. But uh I would definitely say that. And again, I don't want to have them like seem like captives. They can go off on their island and do whatever they want around the island by all means. But I think having us as like already friends would kind of want to live together and work together. And I know that's what my friends would be wanting me to do. Hey, you gotta serve up the food and the drinks and entertain us while we get our tan on and uh write SOS and seashells on the beach. So, you know what you want your friends to rely on you for. So what would our island be called? Oh, it'd probably be something shivered like Island McIland face because all my friends are like 13-year-olds. So uh not that they are 13-year-olds, their imaginations are 13-year-olds. We're all very immature. So we probably have a uh, because we've done it in the past, we've had we've gone on trips and we've had like calling, like, well, what are we gonna call our uh you know, you have your WhatsApp groups, and they always turn into like chatty McChat face or holiday McHoliday face, because we all think it's so funny that that boat, that's probably what the boat we went down on. Remember when that boat got that those votes that time, and it was like every the community had to vote what this boat would be called. Do you ever see that on the news? And they called a boatie McBoat face. And me and my chat group, me and my friends think that's the funniest thing since slice bread. So um, yeah, definitely it'd be probably called be Island McInland face.

SPEAKER_02: 38:56

So let's put this out there then, right? So, people watching, if you're on YouTube, you can stick with what was a boatie McBoat face. Yeah, it's the name of the boat. All right, so Boatie McBoat face, or what would you call Bo's Island and what would you call the people on his island, right? Yeah, and maybe we'll we'll pick one and maybe going forward that's what we'll do. We'll get people to vote on the name of the island of the guest.

SPEAKER_01: 39:23

Like if you guys want to make me a king and I'm the the creamer king. Oh that's quite good, cremer king. But uh yeah, but also um would you trust me running your island? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02: 39:36

Implicitly.

SPEAKER_01: 39:37

Of course. I'd get I'd get distracted easily and things would fall into disarray very quickly. Very quickly.

SPEAKER_02: 39:43

But imagine all the magic we would get.

SPEAKER_01: 39:46

This is true.

SPEAKER_02: 39:47

Well, a lot of canned stuff. A lot of can magic. Good point. Well, let's see where you go with number five. So what's in your fifth spot?

SPEAKER_01: 39:53

Alright, so my fifth spot, it comes into the the beverage section again. But we're after dinner now. But it's kind of like it takes that we'll talked a little bit about cans before, and that's where this kind of comes into it. Um Infinity W by Peter Cont. Um and Magic Dream. If you guys have seen that. I love I've always loved the water to wine style piece of magic. Um, and that itself is incredible. If you don't want to do that, this is where I get an honorable mention: water transfiguration. If you guys haven't seen that, it's where the water changes inside a bottle. So it takes it out of that wine glass and puts it inside a bottle. So again, what do you have on the island? Um, but Infinity W, when I first saw that by Magic Dream um at Magic Life, I believe it was. It's just that beautiful piece of magic that I even when I got back to Murphy's HQ, I was like, we need to perform with this. I had to play with the gimmick. Just this constant that you fill up a glass of wine, water in a wine glass, turns into wine, pour it out, pour more water, wine. It's just it's repeatable um quite a few times. So it's that really cool visual. A lot of the other times you can only perform it once. And I know I don't know how much in trouble I'm gonna get in hit with this, but you're not they say you're not meant to drink it on the label. They give like a warning of not drinking it. But I've been told that you can. The only reason they say no is because different countries have different regulations with the the colouring and stuff that's in it. Um, so obviously different countries have different guidelines. So they just say don't drink it just to be on the safe side, because you could go against that country's guidelines, and it's just easier for shipping. But uh don't don't sue me if uh you drink it and you grow an extra an arm. Like it is, but yeah, I've been told it's just that's what I love about it too. It's you can drink this. There are versions out there that you 100% can't. So to have it repeatable, to have it um drinkable at the end, which I have seen it in in a couple of social media videos, people sip it at the end. And I'm like, it just looks so good. So to have that on an island, um, or then again, if you don't want to do wine, you do water transfiguration, which is water to like coke and fanta and other objects. Um, that's another way to do it. But nothing beats at the end of the day. You've you've had your drink, you've had your food, now you're sitting down having a glass of wine and having uh water to wine. I think that's the closing way. I'd kind of want the uh night to go before the entertainment starts. You know?

SPEAKER_02: 42:34

Oh, but you are the entertainment though.

SPEAKER_01: 42:36

Well, yeah, you've you've had an right now, you're sitting back on the island, you've got a tan, you're feeling good about yourself, you got your coconuts on you, you've got some seaweed pants. Um, you've just had a dinner and a show. Um, you're like, it's the night over? Oh baby, we're just getting started. We're just getting started.

SPEAKER_02: 42:55

I feel like your your island is just a massive tiki bar, just of drink-related tricks.

SPEAKER_01: 43:01

Yeah. Although, yeah, there's uh I'm trying to keep a PG because you know we don't want to have any beers and whiskey and stuff. So just drinks. We're just well we're hopeful. Maybe that's the name of our island. Well hydrated. The hydro hydro boys.

SPEAKER_03: 43:15

There you go.

SPEAKER_01: 43:16

We're just well hydrated. Everyone's come up, like the boat pulls up, like, you guys look amazing. How much liquid have you had? But like way too much. This guy keeps re-sealing our cans and giving us more liquid.

SPEAKER_02: 43:26

Ideal situation to perform this because it's such a disarming, unpredictable piece of magic. Like, this is religious level magic, you know, quite literally water to wine. So, what's the ideal place to perform an effect like this?

SPEAKER_01: 43:46

I think the ideal, the way I would perform this, uh, I don't have the gimmick, I have it in Sacramento because Javier loved it as much as well. And he's like, I want to play with this, leave it here, you're not taking this home. Um, I would have it in my kitchen, and again, same scenario. I would have, I'm all for like not pranks, but having things kind of go awry and slip that in. So I would have friends over and have like, you know, like I feel like I'm saying like I'm an alcoholic, but we have like glasses of wine at the end of the night, and you know, you're enjoying yourself, you have friends over. Um, and we'd have a bottle be finished as I'd get to one of my friends, and I'd purposely measure the liquid inside to make sure someone's gonna miss out. And then I'm like, I'm so sorry, mate. Can I just get you a glass of water? And then have that situation of him like, it just the look of like everyone else is sitting there with a nice glass of wine, and this poor fella's gonna get a glass of water. That's the way I would do it, and have that situation of them going, yeah, sure. And then me bringing out a water jug or a water bottle and then pouring it in and turning it to wine and going, oh, there you go. Um, having that situation. But on the island, we've got like Tiki Bar set up at the island. So it'd be that. Uh, I don't know how many wine glasses I have going around for how many people that are on the island. But I guess maybe at the end of the night, you're like, gay guys, you've had your dinner, who wants a glass of wine? And then having the same situation, or just pulling out a glass of pulling out a bottle of water and then making that joke of like, here you go, and then everyone's like, No, no, we wanted wine. Or someone going, Oh, come on, we've we've got no wine, we've got no wine on the island. What are we gonna drink? And then you go, here, I got some water, and then everyone's like, Oh, what are you the Messiah? You're like, I gotcha, and then you pour it in there, and they're like going absolutely manic. Maybe that would be another way to do it. Uh yeah, that's the way I'd kind of want to perform it on the island. If we were gonna do it on the island, is having that very much of like we've got nothing, and just keep making the things that they want appear.

SPEAKER_02: 45:56

And if you had if if you had again again, we've never done this before. This has just come to my head now, so forgive me. But this would be another great thing to do in the future. If you were allowed one magical friend on the island with you, who is the only other magical friend that you would take with you?

SPEAKER_01: 46:14

Jeez, now this is gonna get me having phone calls, like really, not me. That's why I put it in. I know, I know, thank you. Now if I wasn't sweaty before, I am now. I would honestly I think because no, it's okay, I'd probably say, no, I know. Do you want to like kind of like hype their emphasis if people can guess? Or kind of just say the name.

SPEAKER_02: 46:37

Well, why don't we hold it off? So why don't we do the rest of the podcast? And then at the very end, we'll we'll say. So based on the rest of Bo's tricks, see who you think he's gonna have on his island. Yeah, um, I certainly know Harry will be upset if uh it's not his own.

SPEAKER_01: 46:52

Oh, it's Harry Nardy all the time. Change my answer, change my answer.

SPEAKER_04: 47:01

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SPEAKER_02: 48:53

Um, but let's move on to your next one then. So, based on what's gonna come up next, we need to work out the guests that Bo Cramer would have on his island, all right? So let's go to number six. So, what is in your sixth spot?

SPEAKER_01: 49:04

Now, number six is something that now I work at Murphy's and this isn't a Murphy's plug, but this is one of the things that Murphy's has come out with, and I remember Javier showing me, and it destroyed me. And I still, it's so disarming um the prop itself, that if you're on the island and you're on a boat, obviously with some friends, obviously it's gonna be some dice games, so you find some dice on the island. Sure shot. Oh, I it still gets me. I know how it works. I know well, I think I know how it works, but it's one of those things that I still don't like, I still get surprised when I you put some dice, two dice inside a container, you shake the container, uh, randomly like you shake the container, and you have you know exactly what the next roll is gonna be. So, you know, you name two and a four, and you roll it, and you know exactly what it is before even opening it up. Um, when Javier first showed me this, I thought the everything was see-through. I thought there's some sort of transparency to it. I thought the the dice were electric that was sending some signals. Just regular dice. It is so disarming, and it's one of those things that again, I still perform. I love to perform. It looks like a kid's prop. It's made by for like Apprentice Magic, and I think that's what disarms a lot of people too. Like when people see that sitting in my house, it looks like a kid's prop. Because I have a four-year-old son, so people think it's like his, and then I pick it up and can just perform with it. And I still get people asking, like, how does that work? What what what's going on what's going on there? And it's just one of those really beautiful pieces of magic. I went down the road of tenure, but there's so much good tenure stuff, and again, loving this podcast, a lot of people have talked about tenure, like I know Preston talked about tenure, and I think Joel talked about tenure as well. So it was like these a lot of tenure items, and I was like, I love tenure, but that's what kind of inspired Shaw shot because I just want those pieces of magic that still fools me, and still I still enjoy watching it as much as I love performing it.

SPEAKER_02: 51:16

Well, I'm glad that you put this in because the my the the best the best way that I can describe this trick, and feel free to disagree or agree, is it's basically the magic equivalent of Doom Scrolling, right? Because you get this thing out, you do it once, half an hour later, you're still there doing it because it's just so addictive and fun to do. And what I love about what you just said there is that you said, because I think, and again, working in a magic shop, you'll know this as well. There are certain props and tricks that people look down on because they're either made of plastic. I mean, Murphy's again, not a plug to Murphy's, although you're you're on, but we've had a lot of the Apprentice stuff in this week, um, and we've been playing with the prediction board uh that you've just brought out, and it's such a powerful piece of magic. A lot of us have had a version of that, and people think that just because it's plastic, it it's it it should be disregarded. But I think what you said there is you said it's so disarming, the fact that it is this very simple thing, it feels like it's more impossible because there's nothing that this thing can do, it's just a little plastic cup and some dice.

SPEAKER_01: 52:29

Exactly, and that's the thing I think as a magician we love something that's 100% examinable. We we I don't know why we do, um, but we we love it. We love it as magicians, we want it to be examinable. Um, so to have it be this super simple object that is no flashy things about it. They can you can take this the spectator can take it back to the little sandy corner of the beach and sleep with it. They're not gonna find anything crazy out about it. It's just then like you said, you're gonna keep performing it over and over and over and over again. You're gonna it feels like you have superpowers, like you have x-ray vision, and that's the way Javier performed it to me. He was like like glaring at it, and he's like, Okay, it's like a four and a six. And I was like, How are you doing this? And he just kept doing it, and it was one of those moments where I'm like, I couldn't stop watching. It was like I was watching him doom scroll, and I was along for the ride, and I was enjoying every second of it. I'm like, how has this guy got the craziest powers? He's like, take it, look at it, open it up, see, can you see through it? I'm like, no, he's like, uh one and a three. And I'm like, What is happening? It was such a yeah, it's such a beautiful, simple, simple, simple piece of magic that, and then and at the end of the day, if you people are sick of watching that, I don't know why they would be. You can do some dice gambling on the beach, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 53:50

My next question was gonna be that. So, how are you using Shaw Shop? How is Bo Kramer gonna be using it?

SPEAKER_01: 53:56

That would be the way I perform it. So we've all just had dinner, we're all relaxing now. And I guess this isn't gonna happen every night because you're like, are you gonna see the same show every night? But what I'd probably do it in this the form of us like just relaxing at the end of the night, we'd be chilling out or during the day when you're like chilling out in the beach, you've got nothing else to do. And again, situational stuff. So we'd be playing a dice game or a board game or something, and having that situation of you know, people don't trust magicians with cards. If you don't do a card game, they don't trust you with cards. So I'm like, oh Dave, you're gonna roll a three and a two next. And he's like, what? And we like shake it and roll it, and he's like, How what? This game's rigged, and he like quits immediately and doesn't want to, he's he's swimming back to New York. He's had enough. But that's the way I'd gonna do it. I'd want to have people feel like they couldn't trust me on the island. Don't know that that'd probably be then there'd probably be a coup, and I'd be no longer King Creamer. I'd be locked up on the uh strung from the palm tree, and everyone would be not as well nourished and hydrated by the end of because there's no one serving drinks up.

SPEAKER_02: 55:05

Okay, so that means that we need to donate a strait jacket to your island.

SPEAKER_01: 55:09

Yeah, that's it. I changed my last one. That's no longer uh I've got to say what it was, but no, no longer that it's now a straight jacket. But it's gotten to me. I've I'm not hydrated as well as my uh fellow maroonies.

SPEAKER_02: 55:24

Okay, right. So so far we've had Hilled and Sealed, Sinful, Stretcher, uh, Food2Go, Infinity W and Sure Shot. We've got two more. Um, and then I know that we spoke before the podcast, and maybe, just maybe we might have some honorable mentions. So we'll find out those after. So let's find out what's in number seven.

SPEAKER_01: 55:46

Well, yeah, number seven, I know this came from the little piece of paper when you sent it out. Like, hey, if you say this, I'm gonna quiz you about it. And it's because I originally I when we uh before you sent me this, this was always on my list. I love a deck of cards. You knew it was gonna be like I don't ever. What we're just gonna go to an island without a deck of cards. I love a deck of cards. I can't do slots, but I love playing with a deck. Like, I just I love handling a deck, I love practicing with a deck, I love trying to perform with a deck if there's no gimmicks involved. And that made me think, what kind of things would I want to do with the deck of cards? And my main thing I go to with a deck of cards, and I play this game with my brother when I go back to Australia all the time. He does a bit of magic as well, and we do this same method. Method? Well, it's we we use key cards. Okay, I was like, we can't someone can idea behind that, but we do that same method. We try and play a game where we go to a bar, or we go to like a barbecue, and we play this thing of like, we're gonna do the same, we're gonna change up ways we can do a key card and make it seem like a completely new routine each and every single time. So, and then until the point where the spectators go, hang on, wasn't that the same trick? And that's what I love about it. You can do the same method, the same idea a lot, and it seems brand new to the spectator each and every single time. And that's the way I that's what I one thing I love about a key card. In particular, Ollie Mealing has a lot of key card stuff through his membership. He's like a key card uh genius. Of the things that he does with key cards, because I'm like, I love a key card, and I'm like, what was that? And he goes, A key a key card? I'm like, You what now? It's just insane. So there's so many things you can do with key cards. That is the one thing I did. If you hand me a deck of cards, I'm probably gonna do a key card routine or a key card effect because it's so simple to do and it seems so impossible. And you can just do a key card again, the stray routine after, and it's something brand new. I love it. I love a key card, but then this is when we get into like, I guess, honorable dimensions with this, because this I started with this one like, oh, maybe I need to get away from a deck of cards. One card by Denny Garcia. I love that premise too, and that gimmick is just so good, so good. And my hands are up because I'm still hailing Danny. Such a good, beautiful piece of magic. And then uh this one came in as an honorable mention as well because of food to go, uh, 3D advertising by Henry Evans. I think if you're gonna have a deck of cards, it's gonna get sandy, it's gonna get wet on the beach. So, how are you gonna get a brand new deck each and every single time? So you're just gonna take it out of the picture, reproduce a new deck again, gonna have to have multiple advertisements of decks of cards. Maybe it's a bicycle boat that's gone down. Um, and we're gonna continuously pull them out. Got new decks every night. We've got some dice, we've got games going on. Um so that's the way 3D advertising got an honorable mention. But absolutely, a deck of cards would go with me. I'd be just jamming on the beach, practicing, playing the cards, and then if someone said, Hey, show me something, baby, you're getting a key card routine for the 900th and 87,000th time.

SPEAKER_02: 59:07

That's what you're well again, you you hit it on the money there. Regular listeners know that there's this little devil he likes to pop up every now and again, devil's advocate. Um, and you've sort of already numbed the the uh the pain that the devil is gonna ensue because you said a key card. Yes. The problem is, Bo, uh key card is a very general term, and like you just said, there are many, many, many effects. But if I held you to one key card routine that you could do with your deck of cards, what is the trick that you would do?

SPEAKER_01: 59:49

Okay, so we're on an island, it's beautiful, it's sunny, it's a sunny day. My key card routine that I would do is have a spectator choose a card from the deck, any card they Like absolutely any card they like. Uh they put it back in the deck. I put the deck down on the ground. Now it's getting sandy because I've spread it out on the ground. And they're simply holding my hand and following along as we point. And the shadow of my hand on this beautiful, sunny I'm trying to remember the name of our islands, beach. It's points and stops on one card and it's their card that they've chosen. That's the key card routine I perform a lot, and that's the way I'd probably do it. And then if it wasn't that way, if I wasn't going to perform that way, if it's the dead of night, we've just had a night of fun and games, and someone wants to see a card trick. It'd be simple, just a bit of mind-reading, bit of mentalism, have their name a card. I go through trying to read their mind, them sending the thought. I put a choose a card, take it out. Um, can be done a couple of different ways. You can either miscall it and get it wrong. Uh, so you're trying to get the card, they think they're one up on you, and when they turn the card over, it's their chosen card, or you read their mind. You're thinking, is it red or black? Red or black, poker face. Maybe we're playing a game of poker. Don't look at me, just don't say anything, just look at me. I'm gonna read your poker face, and you hit, hit, hit, hit, and you get the card right. You name their card, they lose their mind. Those are the probably the ways, depending on how the beach is going, if it's sunny or night, that's how I'd perform my key card routines.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:24

Again, it is one of the things that you can just do over and over and over again as well, and it will be more and more impressive every time. Uh, with that and short shot, you're gonna give people a headache more than anything.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:37

Yeah, yeah. No one's gonna go, you guys sit over there, get us some more drinks. We're gonna play the card games and the dice games. We don't want you. We don't want you.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:45

Okay, well, let's find out what's in your last spot then. So, what did you put in your final spot?

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:50

Now, this one is one of the things I love watching more than okay, and it's not because it's Alakazam, and it's not because I'm on an Alagazam chat right now. I every time, if so, if Harry's watching this or Peter's watching this, they know exactly what I'm talking about. Every time I go to the convention and they're there, I'm asking to see this trick. I love it so much. It's we talked about it a little bit of uh at the beginning of things that we wouldn't want to be there, or we were gonna talk like about banishing stuff. This one holds a special place in my heart. The Grail by Mike Rose. A card at any number. This piece of magic is so, so good. I watched it, I remember when I first saw it, and I asked Peter to perform it again for me straight away. And he performed it again, and I was still destroyed by it. I'm like, how is this working? And every time I go to the convention, I have to see it. I love watching performances of it. I uh I gotta be honest, sounding without sounding like a bit of a creep, probably once every couple of weeks, I'll just YouTube it and just watch the performance again. I've seen Peter perform this for so many times. The routines, and then not only from what you learn on the tutorial from that basic, can't say basic routine, the main routine, but there's so much more that you learn. There's so many more ideas. Like if you know the original Grail, what they've done to this complete edition, this complete set with um Mark Rose and Alakazam, they take it to a whole new level. It's such an incredible card at any number. Um I've seen so many magicians fall by it as well. It's one of those really good magician foolers. And then, even to the point where you know the method, like I said, I know the method, I know how it works, I perform it, but to watch it again and again, it just looks so clean, so fooling. I just love every time I'm like, how is it? How is this? Is this this has to be real magic? And it's just working with you, like it's just so good. I love the grail 100%. That's the last one I'd want to do. And if someone was on the island that would possibly be my friend that's on the island with me, I'd get him to perform this every night. I'm like, okay, look, I'll take care of the other stuff. Let's just take care of this, and I want you to perform this for me every night. We'll sneak away, we'll have a little alone time, and you can perform the grail to me because I'll just watch it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:04:19

Yeah, do you know what? Again, it is really difficult when you work either work for a company or you're talking to someone from another company, um, because it it all feels like sales talk, but it's not, yeah, in that I I still struggle to find a any card at any number that is as good as this for several reasons. Number one, like you just said, is stupid clean, it's it's just ridiculously clean. Um, number two, I think that we we all know that any card at any number is a long trick. Um and this kind of just cuts it with its directness. It's just there's no having to worry about one half of the routine effectively, it's just there's an envelope, what's a number, that's the cards dealt down, bang, and it matches. It's it's ridiculous. And last year, when I first started join uh when I first joined Alakazam, was when we put out the the Lux set, and I watched Pete when when we were filming socials and the the Blackpool vlogs, just watched him destroy magician after magician, after magician. But the annoying thing was it was the same to me because I didn't know the method at the time. Um, so it was just a whole three days of me going, What is going on?

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:39

Yeah, how is it always the Queen of Spades? I've changed the number. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_02: 1:05:45

Um, and he's got his. Have you seen the photo version? So he's got an impromptu version now. Yes, yeah. It's just superb.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:53

Yeah, it was one of those things of watching Peter perform it, and I remember watching him at uh at Magic Live and he performed it and then performed it again. And then I was bringing over Jesus like, you have to check this out. You have to check this out. Watch. And it's oh that's what I was gonna say. It's a lot of any card at any numbers, you're kind of like, name me, like what you're gonna choose the three clubs, and it's gonna or you, you, you kind of you're waiting for this, but the prediction at the start kind of cancels that out. You you know where you're gonna be going with this. There's no kind of like, where are we going? And then also the story, like I love the story of like when Peter was saying, like, you know, we had to dream about you, and that jokey, it feels like doesn't feel as serious, so it doesn't feel like it's gonna take as long. Like, if it's you have a lot of routines that are very serious, and there's a lot of just quiet dead time. But if you have that rapport to start off with, like, hey, I did a dream about you last night. Yeah, I was dreaming about you, and we took this card out and we put it in an envelope. It's crazy that I'm here with you now. It creates that fun tension of like, here you hold this, you keep it. Yeah, yeah, in your in my dream, you had it like in your in your front pocket or you had it between your lips. And then that kind of resetting that dreamer makes it feel I I don't feel like when I perform this, the the spectators kind of get bored by the counting because they're kind of like like you said, it's so quick, so direct, they know what's happening, and then they're there. It's you've got that card face down on the table, they open up the envelope and everything matches. It's not like hey yeah, that confirmation of that card just seals it in place. Um, mate, it's just again, this was probably the one that was on my list the whole time when you when we thought about going to an island. Like it was always on my list because I just love performing it and I love watching it. Um such a great piece of magic. So that's not just a plug because you guys are here, it's just incredible. What you guys did with the grail.

SPEAKER_02: 1:07:46

The amount of times he could give them the deck of cards, get them to take the cards out, get them to deal down, and it's there, it that statistically it shouldn't be a thing, but because of the way the trick works, m more than not, he hit dead on. And he doesn't have to touch the cards, he doesn't have to get them out, they can examine the deck, they can he had to do nothing.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:12

Yeah, that's that's the way he did it to me. So the first time he did it to me, he took the cards out and then did it. And I was like, Okay, can you show me that to me again? And as the magician in my head, and we're at a convention, I was like, We put it all away, and I was telling you how good it was. And I was like, okay, so is it exemptable? Like, could I take the cards out? Like, what can we do? And that's how he performed it for me the next time. Literally was the uh I named my number, we did this same thing again. He's like, We'll just put the card back in the envelope, you're gonna deal to that card again. He's like, Do you want to give it a shuffle? And uh I can't remember because this is going back years ago. And I remember things saying, Yeah, cool. So he like pretended, like turn his back, come back, put him in the tuck here, and then took the cards out, and it worked. And that's when I was like, this is destroying me right now. This is destroying me. And like you said, he's so fluid with it now, it just it still goes by me. Like I watch him perform it, and it is just so so clean. I'm trying not to give away the method and how it works because I know what you know how it works. I I know how it works. We'll probably talk about after this, about how what we think about it, but he's just so so good at it. And I think I with with my personality in performing, I'm uh quite a jittery person, so it kind of like it works. I know a lot of magicians of like I've shown it to um it's just they get they get caught up in it as well because it just looks so disarming to them. They don't expect what you're doing is what you're doing. I'm just so this is such a weird way for anyone that's not doesn't know the method, you're like, what are they talking about? But you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because if you know, if you know, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:02

Yes. And if you don't know, then you should know. Um so available right now, link in the description below. So let's go back over your list. So we started with Hilled and Sealed, Sinful, Stretcher, Food to Go, Infinity W, Shore Shot, a deck of cards, but we're gonna use a particular trick in that, and we ended with the Grail. What a brilliant list. I think I was nearly there. There's it's definitely a whimsical list, like Infinity W, like the idea of the the water to wine, super quirky, a stretcher as well. Um, I think uh yeah, I think that would be an incredible list. Now, were there any more honorable mentions that you had nearly put in, but you didn't?

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:48

There was one that I actually had, and to be fair, it was an honorable mention, but then I got put into my non-magic item to mark my organic item to like kind of work that in. And I guess that comes with the person that I'm gonna have on the island with me, my magic friend. The things that we could have fun with with this item would be where I'd want to go and have some get get get fun with this.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:13

So Right. Let's not say anything more then, because I'm worried that we're gonna give something away. Um, in fact, we're not gonna at this point, I was gonna get you to name your person. Let's not. Let's let's uh let's.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:23

Well, we give a hint. He's he's a very his energy kind of like matches mine. So if you guys know he's one of my friends, uh I guess if you have to have the like the same energy to kind of vibe, but he is very much like this. He's very, very well known in the magic industry for creating and developing magic. He's pretty much worked with every magician under the sun. Um incredible, incredible guy. Uh and he's English. I'll just say that. And then that narrows it down quite a bit. But maybe you know, maybe you don't know. It's Harry Nardy, let's just say it's Harry Nardy. Harry's not listening anymore. He's tuned out, it's not Harry.

SPEAKER_02: 1:12:00

Well, let's well hold off, right? So we've we've had a substantial amount of clues there. Let's let's go no more. But let's go for the controversial one, right? So let's see how cancelled by Murphy's Bo Kramer can get uh in one banishment. So imagine, Bo, you're about to dig a big sandy hole. You're gonna throw something in that hole from our industry, and we're gonna cover it over, never to be seen again. What are you banishing from the industry?

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:29

Well, so I was originally, and I think this is because Joel, who was on the podcast before, me and him have talked about this a lot, and it's one of our biggest um not peeves or dislikes in magic, is when magicians talk down to like their spectators that they they make fun of them. Just I guess they're trying to be funny or they're trying to like make them feel at home. But when this spectator's on stage, this isn't my um banishment. This is gonna I was gonna say this, but then I know Joel mentioned it as well. I'm like, I can't do dissing a spectator because I feel like I'm it's one of the things that we we talk about quite a bit. So that was an honorable mention. The one I want to banish, and I've previously talked about it, uh, and then like a little hint before, is overjustifying props are normal. Hey, let's examine this. Let's um wanting them to examine something. Like, hey, uh, you know, when you give a deck of cards to a spectator or an item to a spectator, you're like, hey, check out, check out this regular prawn. It's just a regular prawn. Go touch it, hold it, put it, put it in your mouth, make sure it's legit. For a spectator to give in that, if in a way as a magician would be performing, if you're doing your job right as an entertainer and as a magician, your spectator isn't gonna want to examine that. I feel very strongly about that. But having you over-justify that item that it is a legit item, or you it's gimmick, but you're just trying to get it off the scent. Um I think that is what I'd probably want to dig in a hole. Having said that, though, I do love a good uh joke or a a knock at that. And one of my favorite ones is when I see James Galea, who's a Sydney-based magician. I think he lives in LA now. Incredible. When he was doing his um Sam the Bellhop routine, um, he did like a line. He's like, hey, look, this is a regular deck of cards that I got from any like a from any magic shop. And it's just like so does something like you think, oh, it's a regular deck of cards. I got from a regular magic shop. And they're kind of like, oh, so it is it's a gimmick deck? Is that not a it sets up that premise of like I found that quite him selling it? Oh, this is a regular deck of cards, but now it's from a magic shop, and it made me laugh that think, as a magician, because we know what he's talking about, and as a layman, I've said it to I've stolen that joke. I'm sorry, James, but I've stolen it and I've used it a couple of times. Layman quite finded it funny as well, because they think, oh, it's a regulator card, oh yeah, from a magic shop. So, oh, it is gimmicked, and aftertime it's just me doing a keycard trick. But it's uh it's also disarming that way, but I don't want to give the spectator by overselling something. I wouldn't be giving the spectator the can for uh hil and sealed or uh any of the other what am I thinking? Like half of the other some of the other stuff, I wouldn't be giving spectators again, hey, hold this, take it home, like examine it to uh a tea. Like you could take that can, like short shot, go to town. But I don't I don't think as magicians we should be making a spectator want to examine everything. We should just we should be trusted in our performance and our routines that the spectator won't want to examine it at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:51

Yeah, I think that's great. Uh and I just looking at your list and thinking about the things that you've got on here as well, the the prop itself justifies the fact that it's a normal object. As in, why would you need at no point in my life have I bought a bottle of Coke, again, not sponsored by Coke, um given a bottle of Coke to a friend and said, uh, here's a bottle of coke, just to let you know it's a completely normal bottle of Coke. It's not something that you do in everyday life because a bottle of coke is a bottle of coke, and that's why we use organic props, and I'm guessing that's why you're so attracted to the organic side of magic, is that you don't need to overjustify it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:30

It is what it is, it is exactly what it is. And if I find that exactly, if I were to pull a can of coke out and I want to try and do that, that's just raising all the questions for my spectators. And I see that quite often with some magicians. Again, working with Murphys, we get sent a lot of content from people. Um, I guess there's like a PSA. If you're performing, because we get sent to quite a lot of content, or we see a lot of performances, a lot of magicians do try and sell it. I guess it comes from nervousness of just getting into magic or just starting to perform, that you want to let the spectator know that this is just a regular can of Coke. There's nothing funny about it. But the spec, no point of running while you're not getting chased. You'll you're so many steps ahead of the spectator. Um let them let them their imaginations run wild. I love having the idea of having spectators at the end of it and them also. The amount of times you have you, you know, as a magician, you have so many times you have a performance and a spectator going, is that how it's done? Is that how it's done? That's when they start chasing you. The routine's already done. You've got nothing else. If you want ex uh the one thing I love is if you want something examinable and it's not examinable, and you want to prove to a spectator, switch it out at the end. And then the spectator's gonna be completely destroyed. By then you've already taken away, you've propped it, you've switched it in your code or in your bag. The spectator doesn't know. But I don't think there's any need to over-justifying a prop when you're not needing to.

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:58

Well, I think that's a great, great banishment. So no one is over justifying props on your island. Yeah, stop it. Now, we sort of touched on the next one earlier. So when we spoke about Sinful and we spoke about the magazine, and again, uh I'm cheeky because I listened to your previous podcast, so I know uh a bit about this and and sort of how you you think and your thoughts on this. So let's go to your book. So, what would you take? Because in the other podcast, just pointing this out, Bo actually took Sinful as his book. Yeah. On the other podcast. So that threw a curveball to me. I've got no idea what's going on. I I was I thought I was all clever, I know what you're gonna put in your book, and now we're here. So let's find out what's in your book position.

SPEAKER_01: 1:18:47

Yeah, I thought I would be a bit different because I was like, I knew Sinful, we talked about it, and that holds a special place in my heart, and that's why Sinful got brought in as one of the effects. But the book would have to be something super simple to read, follow along, and it's not just one book, I guess it's like a collection, but it starts with the Venish magazine. If you guys know about the Venish magazine, it's such an incredible Paul Romney um does an incredible job of the Venish magazine. There's so many different articles in this from like your like celebrity magicians that you love, or just you know, heartwarming stories. Uh, there's also routines, tutorials. Uh, there's obviously you know the latest and greatest what's happening in the magic world. So if you love a read, but you also want to look at super visual things as well on screen, like I find there's like the one I just read. Um it's like a the 100th edition, uh, and it had a to I come, I'm trying not to give stuff away, but had like an explanation there of like a big stage prop. And they broke it down and how it would work, and kind of like for someone that doesn't perform stage magic to see how that prop works on stage makes me think, how can I adapt this and make this a close-up routine? So it's also really easy for me to follow along, and it's the stories and the uh the routines and everything inside of scripted so short that you know it's a magazine, you're flicking through it quite quickly, you're getting caught on big attention with images. Uh, I feel like it's probably in connection with my social media brain. I've got a very short attention span. So to have a magazine where I can flick through, get caught by a big image and go, oh, what is this? And I'm reading, I'm enjoying it. And it's not just one. That's the thing I think with the collection, which they come out at the end of the year of all the the different series during that that year. There's so much information. You're not just learning from one magician, like you would with a regular book. You're learning from you know, hundreds of magicians throughout that year, different ideas, different styles, different performances, um, different effects as it come out. Like it's just a plethora of knowledge just jammed into one book of a lot of different ideas and different minds. And that's what I would want to take. I want to be inspired while I'm out there by all these different creations that are going on and going, okay, what stage show can I build into this island? How many palm trees can I cut down and build a uh mismatched woman, you know?

SPEAKER_02: 1:21:24

So I quite like the idea of a zigzag tree. That would be great. Yeah, oh there we go.

SPEAKER_01: 1:21:29

See? Now we're talking.

SPEAKER_02: 1:21:32

Yeah, no, I think that's great. And I think that's sort of uh the reason why I think it's quite sad that magazines are going, because I know like even I've got what one of my favourite bizarre books is Um Seance, uh, which uh which is just a collection of loads of magazines, essentially. And I it's just such a diverse array of ideas and different people and thoughts, and then there'll be an essay about one thing, and then a trick about something completely different, and everything is bite-sized and easy to digest.

SPEAKER_01: 1:22:02

And but I love the diversity of having like a magazine collection of all these different articles because then you could take something from someone's routine, build it into someone else's, get all these different ideas that you could just make it into a crazier card trick with a zigzag palm tree thrown in there for weirdness, you know. I think that definitely if you I was just thinking about social media, imagine that people definitely think that's AI of like you doing a card trick, all of a sudden the tree in the background zigzags, and then oh man, that'd be cool. That'd be cool. So I think that'd be the way and the book I would want to take to read, um, just to keep my mind going with ideas and just hear some cool stories. There's like there's so many, like you're not even just like ideas or tricks, just heartwarming stories about people how they got into magic and how they how they feel about magic and the passion that they have in magic. Like it's just it's it's so incredible and so inspiring to read half these stories as well.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:01

So amazing. Well, I think that is a great choice, and it's going on your island with you. So that brings us back to the end of the podcast, sort of, because we we're we're gonna talk about the person after, but let's find out your item because you've already alluded that this was maybe something that was in your routines, and now you've moved it to the item area, which is clever because people don't always think about the fact that the item can be a trick as well, they can sneak in a trick there. Yeah. Um, so what did you go with? What's in your item?

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:35

Uh well, I don't know if it's been mentioned before, but like coconuts. Have the coconuts been mentioned before? I love the idea of coconuts, and this is the thing, as I was originally, my honorable mention was gonna be the three-shell game. And I love the idea of using coconuts again, situational. What have you got around you? So getting that object that so seems so disarming, people aren't gonna expect me to grab some coconuts and go, hey, let's put a ball of whatever underneath it, and you're gonna follow these shells. And then what else can we build into these coconuts? How can we get coconuts to like work for us and adapt and grow? So I'd love to do like a nest of boxes built into some coconuts. So, like, or then that led me into the idea of a ring and walnut, you know, having an object go missing, then having a coconut on the tree, point to a coconut, let's go get it, let's get that coconut down, crack that coconut open inside is you know, the jewel that was lost on the Titanic. It's like this crazy like ring and walnut routine. It's just where could we go with a coconut and how far could we take it? Taking that one item again, like the can, and how far can we run with that object? And what can we build into that object to create these different moments of magic for the people on the on the beach? Like they're there for a long time. How many times can they like I don't know, see me perform, I don't know, taking my thumb off. How many times do they want to see that? But I want them to be entertained the whole time they're there. So if they can see a whole bunch of coconut stuff and a different routine with coconuts, and they get a drink out of it as well, oh an appetite, baby. Well, back to drinks, back to drink full circle. I don't know if you'd be noticed. I'm sipping, I love a good beverage. I'm sipping on an iced tea this whole time.

SPEAKER_02: 1:25:20

Oh, I'm all about it. Well, we've never had coconuts before. I'm not sure if we'll have it again, but I really like it. I I think it's great. It's a great idea. Um, and it's a great way to close out your list. So we have Hilden Sealed, Sinful, Stretcher, Food to Go, Infinity W, Sure Shot, Deck of Cards, The Grail, your banishment is over-justifying props, your book is Vanish Magazine, the Collective, and your item is Coconuts. What a great way to close it out. Um, but we do have a surprise choice that we've just put into this first podcast ever, which we'll probably go forward now. We'll do it again.

SPEAKER_01: 1:25:56

Yeah, who else are you having on the island to go along with you on the ride? My person would be Tom Elderfeld. I think he is such an incredible mind with magic. I've never spent a time with him where there's like he's got such an incredible energy as well. So if we're on this island, we think all hope's lost. Our can hasn't arrived back with the boat yet. We've sent it out. Um, no one's arrived yet. Tom has that energy to kind of keep everyone motivated and happy, but also the ideas that he can come up with in magic, he's such an inspiration to like sit with. And I know I'd be like, he'd probably be like, Coconuts, dude, we could do this with coconuts. I'm like, you could be what now with coconuts? And he can build it like that within an hour. He'd have props working. I love watching him build so and him create and him perform. Like he's such an incredible performer, too. Uh, there's never a dull moment hanging out with Tom. Um, I know I'm sorry, Harry. You're probably tuned back in right now. And that's why I would choose Harry Nardi as my person. Don't rewind. Uh, but no, that's why I'd probably choose Tom because he's such an incredible, clever magician and knows what people like. He knows, like when I say knows what people like, he can get someone. There's never a time when I've seen him have a spectator come up and he plays with them, talks to them, and goes, I know what trick I'm performing for them. And he can do that. And as a magician, we should know that, but he just has like this instinct and he can like make that connection with them and make them feel that magic through like the whole set that he's gonna be doing with them. Such an incredible watch. And watching him perform is a is an absolute pleasure. I'm watching him create. So he's one of the one of the guys I definitely have on the island, I think, with me. Um, I'm sorry, everyone else that's tuning in and listening and going, well, well, well. Um send me an email. What's your what's your name? Email Jamie, and we'll get him to email you.

SPEAKER_02: 1:27:49

Bo Krama. Um, yeah, no, I think that's a great choice. And a nod to Tom's book as well. Tom's book on creativity is is just amazing. Absolutely superb. Such a yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:28:02

I uh yeah. I'm jealous of the guy. So jealous of his mind. He's a clever guy.

SPEAKER_02: 1:28:07

He's a terrible, terrible faithful, though, everyone. Let's let's put that out there. Just terrible. Um, no, I think that's great. I think it's a great way to close out your list. Um, it's everything that I would want from a Bo Cramer list, I think. It's just full of interesting, fun, engaging, uh super organic tricks as well. I think it's there's some things in there that I reckon people probably haven't heard of before. Maybe healed and sealed is a nice thing that people are going to come back and look at. And Sinful as well. Sinful is quite an older trick now. Hopefully, people have picked that up. So, amazing, amazing list. I know that you've made some enemies here, namely Harry Nardi. So um, we'll remember that. But if people want to find out more about Bo and uh everything that you do, all of your stuff at Murphy's, if you're not already popping up on their feeds 15 times a week, where can they go?

SPEAKER_01: 1:29:00

Um, to be honest, I say this a lot, and even to my family now, and I'm sorry, family, I'm never on my own personal socials. I go there maybe like once a week when I remember to go check. I oh, I have a do have a personal life. I need to go check my own socials. A lot of the times, if you want to contact me or see what I'm up to, Murphy's Magic. Um, so check out Murphy's Magic, go check out the socials. You're more likely to get hold of me there than on my own personal socials. I do have that sometimes. I'll go check and there'll be people messaging me from three weeks ago. I do see and I will respond to everyone. So if you do comment on Murphy's or send a Murphy's to DM or even my own personal, I might be three weeks late, but send me a contact on our socials. Or uh there's a Discord that we have, like the Murphy's Discord, um, quite active on there as well. So you can contact us there. Um again, social media, I live and breathe it. So you reach out on one of the many platforms. And you're bound to get hold of me. Um which yeah, a lot of times people think that there's multiple people running the socials. They're like, hey, can I speak to Bo? And like, oh let me just get him for you. And then I'll do like the three dots, and then I come back. Oh hey, this is Bo. Uh So I like to, yeah, I'll be available on all the platforms. You'll definitely get me.

SPEAKER_02: 1:30:18

Amazing. Well, thank you again, Bo. It's great to finally have you on the podcast.

SPEAKER_01: 1:30:24

Thank you so much, man. I really appreciate it. I'll have to get a Murphy's podcast up and get you on and hear what you want to do. It won't be an Islander, it'll be somewhere more luxurious or Yeah, but it'll be the Murphy's warehouse. Yeah, run around the Murphy's warehouse. What are you grabbing off the shelf? Oh, that's that's a great concept. Okay, hang on. Okay, we're gonna end this. I'll see you later.

SPEAKER_02: 1:30:47

Well, I'm looking forward to that already. But yes, thank you very much, Bo. And of course, thank you all for listening. We will be back again next week with another episode. But for now, have a great week. Goodbye.

SPEAKER_00: 1:31:00

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