SOS: Wayne Goodman

A “best of” list is easy to make. A forever list is brutal. Wayne Goodman comes back to his desert island lineup and we pressure-test it like working pros: what still plays, what still feels honest and what you’d trust when the room is unpredictable. The surprise is how little he changes, because the choices are built on strong magic principles: clear visuals, spectator-in-the-hand moments and props that earn their keep night after night. If you care about close-up magic, kids show material and practical routines you can actually perform, this one is packed.

We dig into why sponge balls stay undefeated, how a thumb tip becomes a lifetime utility device and why classics like Professor’s Nightmare and die box style routines can still feel modern when your scripting and structure are tight. Wayne also talks about refining comedy magic so the jokes don’t weaken the impossibility, including an update to his own wallet-based Magician’s Insurance Card that boosts fairness and impact.

Then we hit the big banishment: magicians apologising for magic and putting other performers down in front of spectators. Wayne explains how that habit feeds bad stereotypes and steals power from your own performance. You’ll also hear his dream guest for the island, a wildly funny memory from ship work and a heartbreaking horror story that leads to a serious conversation about animals in magic and audience expectations today.

Wayne Goodman’s SOS Substitutions: 

1.    Magicians Insurance Card 2 for Magicians Insurance Card 3

Banishment. Depreciation of magicians 

Guest. Steve Martin 

Memory. Eye Hole Sick Bag 

Horror story. Accidental Death of a Pet 

Show. David Copperfield 

Find out more about the creators of this Podcast at www.alakazam.co.uk

Transcript

The Rabbit Horror Cold Open

SPEAKER_01 0:00

So I used to have a rabbit and he wasn't a little dwarf rabbit, he was quite a big fat rabbit. So I created a production where he would appear in a cage and he didn't have to do anything. I could just lift the cage off and he'd be there. It wasn't a cage, it was a little house that you could open and show empty and then lift it lift off top it and the rabbit would appear. And then the sides came apart, so then you could carry the rabbit on the tray and the kids could come over to the table and stroke him, whatever. So I'm doing the show, I produce the rabbit. Everyone, please give a round of applause. It's Merlin, yay! Merlin the rabbit, and everyone comes over. And they make a queue, and right in the front, there's a little girl, she's about nine, ten years old, she's in a wheelchair. So I see it's got some supports on the chair. So I I put the tray on the supports. I said, just be gentle with him, just give him a nice stroke. And uh she leans forward and puts her arms around it, and I hear a crack and I see the rabbit's head fall, and she's killed the rabbit.

SOS Format And Wayne Returns

SPEAKER_03 1:29

So this is one of our spin-off episodes where we get to invite guests back. And it's also very exciting because it's one of the only in-person ones I've done for ages. So we're actually in the same room, which is very exciting, a very hot room. We are currently in a heat wave in the UK and the studio has no air conditioning, so we are both absolutely sweltering for your listening entertainment. Now, if you've never seen one of the SOS episodes before, the idea is that we are gonna invite some of our guests back. So some of our guests have been on this desert island for a very long time. Today's guest has been on his island for a very, very long time. So we're gonna go pay him a visit, we're gonna see how he's doing, and we're gonna give him the choice to change up some of his list. So he's gonna change some of his items up if he would like to, he doesn't have to. And of course, because today's guest was on season one, he also gets a banishment. We're also gonna give him a couple of extra things to help him on his island. We're gonna give him a guest, we're gonna give him a memory that he gets to replay, we're gonna listen to one of his horror stories, and he gets to see a show, a show that he either never got the chance to see or that he loves so much that he would like to watch it again. Today's guest, of course, is the wonderful Wayne Goodman. Hello, Wayne. Hello, how are we? Very good, very hot. Yes, very hot. We are both absolutely sweltering in this room. Uh, but it's very exciting to have you here. So we said that you I think you were episode 34 or 35. Yeah, around the middle. Um, so yeah, you it was uh I think it's over two years ago now that you had your episode. Um, and it's gonna be really interesting to see if your list changed. I actually don't think it's gonna change a lot. I'll be entirely honest. I think that these are your staples, these are the ones that you go to, these are the ones that you're really good at as well. If anyone's a member on Unlimited, uh Wayne talks about a lot of these on Unlimited in in different ways as well. But yeah, it's gonna be really interesting. How much of your list do you remember?

SPEAKER_01 3:28

I think well, I mean, I I could probably get most of them if you if you quiz me on it. Um maybe there might be a couple of oddball ones in there that I might have went, oh yeah, there, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:38

But Oddball is not in there, of course. Oddball, the the the lovely trip by Mark Oberon is not in there.

SPEAKER_01 3:44

No, no, no. But but there might be a couple of things on there that might go, I love that, but actually I I would change that up. Um but yeah, pretty much I think I think I don't know if it will change that much to be honest with you. Everything I did then I'm still doing now. Um with a couple of extra little bits, I suppose.

SPEAKER_03 4:01

Okay. Uh but don't forget you also get a banishment in this one as well. If I banish you, then there is no podcast. Okay. That's it. It it this this whole thing It's like a Christopher Nolan film, isn't it? There's like some big twist ending where we find out none of it actually happened. Oh my god, that'd be amazing. Let's go to your list

Why Sponge Balls Hit Hard

SPEAKER_03 4:22

then, Wayne. So you have the opportunity to change any of these should you want to. You don't have to change them though, if they're still your favourites, but if you want to, you can oust them. So the first one that you had was SpongeBobs. And I mean, even today we've been filming some Spongebob content, and I didn't know until I watched you that you could do so much with Spongebobs. Uh, you even showed me a wicked production, and the glass is probably one of the best moves that I've seen with the Spongebob, it looks phenomenal. So, are we keeping SpongeBobs or are we getting rid of Spongebobs?

SPEAKER_01 4:54

No, I'd never get rid of SpongeBobs. They're they're in it in it for keeps. So, yeah, that's definitely one to one that won't change. I love Spongebobs. I mean, I mean, I know I talk about Tracy a lot, but she's always got one in her bag in case I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 5:07

Tracy is his girlfriend from Canada. No, she's not, she's my fiance. Fiance from Canada. She's my ex-girlfriend, she's from London. She doesn't exist, basically, guys, is the answer.

SPEAKER_01 5:16

Listen, she exists to me. Oh yeah, no, Tracy keeps a sponge ball in her bag for me. I've got I've got them in every single bag I've got and trousers, and I I put these jeans on this morning. I literally reached into the pockets, they were clean, and I I got them off the shelf. I thought, oh, I've found those black jeans and I put them on and I reached in the pocket of the sponge ball in them. And it's sort of they've been washed with the trousers. And it's yeah, no, they they they of everything I do and everything I'm known for, a sponge balls has got to be there.

SPEAKER_03 5:43

Well, I think from the beginning, obviously, you were at the beginning of the podcast. I think we've had SpongeBobs a decent amount of times. I certainly know your next item, without going into it just yet, I think was in the top eight on the first year, yeah. Um, so what is it about Spongebobs then?

SPEAKER_01 6:02

Um I don't know. They're they're just the perfect pop. You know, uh I like coin magic as well. I love doing coin minips, and I've got my own moves and I do do my little things that I do with them, but I do the same things with a sponge ball when it's a thousand times better because they're they're so I do my my shadow vanish with a sponge ball, and people say there's no way you took that out of your hand because it's so big I would have seen it, and it that that 3D element of a coin is 3D but it's still flat, whereas SpongeBob is a is a sphere, and it it just vanishes and it or it manipulates or it moves, or it it's suddenly in my pocket, or there's now two of them, and a lot of the magic happens in the spectator's hand, which is the power most powerful magic that you can do. So, yeah, sponge balls, yeah. I I think and the first choice, the first thing I said, and I think that that's testament now. I think if if I was sitting down for the first time now to do this, it would be Spongebobs would be the first choice. And product placement, since you recorded that.

SPEAKER_03 7:05

What else have you recorded? What do you mean? So since you recorded that first podcast, you've also recorded something else. What have you recorded since? I don't know what I recorded since. You recorded a sponge ball course. Oh, yeah, I did that.

SPEAKER_01 7:20

Yes, I did do a sponge ball course. I I think everybody knows that you just put your head in your hands, then they don't need to see you to know that. So I was trying to think of what I'd done. Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we did a we did a sponge ball course. I'm halfway through planning the second one. Um, and and yeah, it it's I mean, I I I do a lot of the emails for Alecazam now, and when people see it's me that doing the emails because my name's on the signature, a lot of them come back and go, I really enjoyed your Spongebob course. It's it's getting a lot of love and it gets uh, I believe a lot of views, and it's a very popular course. And it's one of those, and again, uh this is this is one of the things that about magicians that I really love and I really hate is that they're so um what am I trying to say here? They're they have a love-hate relationship with a lot of magic. So I'm gonna come back to this later on, but they're like, oh, you know, I hate card tricks or I hate this. And as soon as you say sponge balls, a lot of magicians will turn their nose up at it because they think of the magic ding-dong, and they think of the you know, that stuff, which I kind of steer clear of, but likewise, if you've got card tricks that are like that, that are rubbish or whatever. But if you pick out the good stuff, if you if you look at sponge balls objectively and go, okay, and people say to me, the one the one thing they will always say is they go, Oh, well, what are sponge balls? Why have you got that? Why, why is it how do you justify having a ball made of sponge which has no purpose in a magic trick? And and it's like, yeah, but you've got a little wooden box with a playing card inside it. What's that for? Why do you carry that around? Or why do you carry that prop? Or what's that prop for? You if as long as you can create a routine of a presentation that makes sense, they don't care what it is or what it's for. And and yeah, I think the SpongeBobs also they've been around for a long time, and they've been they've been you know, it's something you learn when you first get into magic, and I think there's something there that magicians go, oh well, I learned that when I that's a beginner's trick, I can move away from that now. In fact, I disagree with that completely. I think it's an amazing thing.

SPEAKER_03 9:27

Okay, so we're gonna keep spongeballs. Let's go to your second

Thumb Tip Lessons From The Navy

SPEAKER_03 9:31

choice. Now you can switch this out on your original list. It was a thumb tip.

SPEAKER_01 9:35

Oh okay, that would stay as well. That would stay. Um, I think thumb tips are a great utensil. Uh uh for me, and I think I might have mentioned this on the on the original one. One of the first tricks I ever saw was with a thumb tip. Um, I've been doing magic a little while. I was in the Sea Cadets, and I got uh to go away with the Royal Navy for a week. I actually went about eight times, and um I was kind of being focused towards joining the Navy, which for me was never going to happen. My dad was kind of pushing me that way, and I spent eight weeks over a year on HMS Chroma, um, which was a great little ship, and I had two guys who were my buddies on the ship, so I was I was a teenager and they would look after me and I had dual the shifts with um um Shina Wright and uh smudge Smith names. I don't know their first names because everyone just goes by nicknames, so it was Smudge and China, and um I was doing some tricks for them one day and they said, Oh, have you met this other guy? I can't remember what his name was, and I said uh Um, no, not yet. He goes, Oh, he does a trick where he puts a cigarette in his hand and makes it disappear. So when he came on board, he was he was on leave when he came on board. Um, he got them to show me this trick, and I was completely blown away by it. It was obviously a thumb tip, but I didn't know about thumbtips then. And he showed me this doggieed, burnt up, smudged and awful looking thumb tip. And he wasn't a magician, but he manipulated that thing so well I never saw it once, and it made me realise just how strong, and then I started looking into it, and then I suddenly realised that some of the adverts I'd seen in magazines for like the vanishing silk was probably done with that because he'd mentioned you could push an app game a hand and make it vanish, and um, yeah, that really sold it for me. And since then, I've I've again never been without a thumb tip.

SPEAKER_03 11:26

Now, like I said, I think in our first season, this was in the top eight overall. Um, but one thing that I didn't take into account that maybe we should have looked at is what are people doing with the thumb tip overall, uh, and what effect? Because obviously there's a decent amount that you can do with it if you put your mind to it. So you just mentioned the cigarette, but obviously you can do a silk, you can do a salt pour, um, you can do lots of different things. So if I was to be devil's advocate with you, because I don't think devil's advocate existed when your episode was there, if you could only do one thing with the thumb tip, what would you do?

SPEAKER_01 12:02

If I had to choose one thing, it would be my cigarette in jacket, which I did in Spain. I don't do it anymore. Um, but I did for 15 years working overseas, so on the ships um in Spain, in the hotels. That was uh I think when when they bought in the smoking ban over here was kind of the end of it for me.

SPEAKER_03 12:23

Um Yeah, vape vape into jacket doesn't quite have the same it doesn't really work.

SPEAKER_01 12:28

Um but I did yeah, my my cigarette in jacket. I used to love it because magicians used to come on holiday to Spain and they'd see me and see the show. And artists they'd go, uh, how do you get 20 minutes out of a cigarette and jacket? And that was uh the for me the best. It was it was I knew that they all knew how it worked, but to get 20 and I used to get a bloke up on stage to get his shirt off him. It wasn't even jacket, it was cigarette and shirt. I'd get a guy up, I'd strip him off, get his shirt off him, and then I'd just make him stand at the side of the stage for 20 minutes while I'm burning his shirt um before anything really happened. Oh, it was a great, it was fantastic. So we keep him thumbtip? Yeah, keep thumbtip.

SPEAKER_03 13:09

Okay, so number three, you have your first creature on the island with you, which was Rocky Raccoon.

SPEAKER_01 13:15

Yeah, well, I'm never gonna get rid of Rocky, am I? I've got five of the actually I've got seven because I've got two baby ones as well. Do they fight often or no no no no no no no? But if they do have a falling out, they soon spring back.

SPEAKER_03 13:29

Oh the thing is I lined that up as well. I can't even be angry at it.

SPEAKER_01 13:34

Rocky Rocky's great. Rocky's such a fantastic Rocky will be Rocky's gonna come back later on as well, actually, maybe in the uh the horror story section.

SPEAKER_03 13:43

Oh, that's really interesting. So you'd you'd still keep a prop that you may have a horror story for.

SPEAKER_01 13:49

He's the hero of the horror story.

SPEAKER_03 13:51

Oh, okay. So he s he saves the situation.

SPEAKER_01 13:54

Yeah, very much so.

SPEAKER_03 13:56

I can't wait to hear about that now.

SPEAKER_01 13:58

That's horrific.

SPEAKER_03 13:59

Okay, well, we're excited, that's good. So we keep him Rocky. Yep. Right, let's go to number four

Kids Show Favorites That Always Play

SPEAKER_03 14:04

then. You have the split die box.

SPEAKER_01 14:06

Okay, so this actually wasn't-I think you wrote split die box, but it wasn't actually you put it in there as that to name it, but actually it was the Man the Moon, which is the old Supreme Die Box version, which has got the the moon, which I still use to this day. Um, that's a tough one because I I could switch that out for something, but do you know what? I don't think I'm going to. I I love the trick. I it gets the kids screaming at me, they're so angry at me because I'm playing the the blind magician at this point. I'm not seeing what they're seeing, and and the moon is rolling backwards and forwards, and I'm obviously rolling it, and I'm not and they just scream and scream and scream at me. It's the the it's the penultimate trick in my kid show before I go to Rocky Raccoon. So, what's the difference between the split die box and the one you use? So the split die box is a big chunky wooden box and it has a dice inside it. Um and you take the dice out and it disappears and you can separate it and stuff, then it goes back to the first box. With the Man and the Moon, you have a cloud, you open the cloud up, and it's a flat disc and it's the moon, and you put it behind, you've got two more clouds, it goes behind and it rolls. Which gives you that lovely moment where you open the door and he's there, and the kids are screaming, he's there, and just by dropping my left hand a little bit, it rolls out of sight, and I turn, I don't see it, and then it rolls back in, it rolls out again because it's circular, it rolls, and it just makes it for me. It's just the perfect version of die box.

SPEAKER_03 15:37

Okay, so we're keeping that.

SPEAKER_01 15:38

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 15:39

Okay, you may be the first person that we've done an SOS that doesn't change anything.

SPEAKER_01 15:44

Really?

SPEAKER_03 15:45

It could well be.

SPEAKER_01 15:46

I'm let's see, let's see what else I've got down there.

SPEAKER_03 15:48

But it would it, you know, it is supposed to be your ultimate list, so it would make sense that it doesn't change, so that's fine. Right, let's go to number five then. I I already know you're not going to change this either. Professor's Nightmare.

SPEAKER_01 15:59

Yeah, no way, no way. Professor's Nightmare is is for me the the the perfect rope trick. Do you know? I I talked to I talked to um some friends of mine recently, Lee and and my mates who come to my house and stuff, and we were watching movies, we watched movies quite a lot, and the three musketeers came up, and I've always been a big fan of the three musketeers. Um they're swashbuckling, they're adventurous, they're heroes, uh, they're based on real people, which not a lot of people know that. Um, and and they're just fantastic. And then I was looking at Christmas and me and Tracy were watching Scrooge, and there's three ghosts, past, present, and future, and it's a perfect symmetry of past, present. It just works. And then I look at the Professor's Nightmare, and you've got three ropes, or something about threes. I mean, three is a magic number, but there's three, and it just because you could easily have come up with the Professor's Nightmare by having two pieces of rope, one long, one short, and they become the same, they come medium sized and then they go back again. Um, uh which is basically cut this old rope, but uh it it's something about it is so perfect. Something about it is so perfect, and I wrote my favourite joke ever for Professor's Nightmare, and um nobody ever laughs at it. It's my fa I'll tell you, it's my favourite joke, and I wrote this joke and I thought this is the joke that is gonna get me starred and somebody's gonna hear this and go, Oh my god, that is the funniest thing I've ever heard, and not one person laughs at it ever. And if somebody if I get one laugh, I'll say that's the biggest laugh I've ever got for this gag. And then I repeat it and everyone laughs, and I go, No, no, that's just sarcasm, you're not allowed to do that. And the gag is when I've turned all three pieces of rope into the same size, I say this is not an optical illusion, it just looks like one, which if you think about it, it's a very, very clever line, but does not get any laugh. I think they they don't get it, nobody gets it. It's not an optical illusion, but it looks like one, and then yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:04

Write in, let us know if you laughed at that at home.

SPEAKER_01 18:08

It's a great gag, it's a very clever joke. It's very, very clever, too clever, but it is it is a great gag, and it's a great trick. Yeah, no professor's nightmare isn't going anywhere.

SPEAKER_03 18:18

It's one of those ones as well. We've done we've helped a decent amount of people over the years with their um Magic Circle auditions, and the amount of times that this comes up, but there's been some really creative ones. I remember someone um please forgive me uh for not remembering who you were, but she did it about the different parts of the UK and the size of them, so Scotland, Ireland, and England. Um I'm not sure if she put whales in there. Uh I it was not me that did the presentation, don't be angry. Um, but you know, that that idea, I think for for the routine that a lot of people do, I think there's a lot of scope to be quite creative with it. But I think people are quite scared to be creative with it, and they just go with the the normal routine.

SPEAKER_01 19:06

So the the one of my favourite routines with it is um I used to do in my road safety show, where you'd say, Who thinks three three commands, stop, look, and listen. Yeah, which is the most important? Who thinks stop? Who thinks look? Who thinks listen? You go, well, some people think that stop is the most important, that's why it's the longest one, because you can stop and then you can look and listen. Um, and then you go through all three of them, and you say, Well, actually, all three are as important as each other, and they all become the same length. And there was a great version, I can't remember what it's called, but um, where you threw all three pieces up into the air, and through a series of uh spoiler alert magnets, it becomes one piece of rope. And so you throw it up in the air, it'd become one piece of rope, and you go, and if you stop looking and listen, you'll get home in one piece. Um, and now it's one piece of rope, which was a really nice way of doing it, and then there's obviously the way of doing the same effect where you just steal away the small piece and hold the knot, and it looks like it's gone into one long piece. Um, but that that was a nice routine. That was uh I can't remember why I read that in a book somewhere um when I was about 15 and it just stuck with me. It was a really good um um, I think it was Barry Richards or Barry Richardson who used to work for Supreme Um and then owned, I think he owned Edwin's Magical Arts or he owned something, um, but I think it was in one of his books that he talked about about that routine. Um for me, yeah, Professor's Nightmare. Uh I I'd probably add something to that now as well, and add the awakening as a follow-on trick to it. Because I do that in my show. I do Professor's Nightmare to begin with, and then halfway through the show I bring out the awakening, which I've made in its own matching rope, and I bring it out and I say, Do you know what? There's one bit about that trick I didn't like. Tell me what you think. I don't like the bit, but I gathered them all together, it makes it a bit confusing. So, what about if we just held the rope? If I was really magic, I could just hold the rope and then I do it and it changes. And it really is it's like a you know, when you have a gag, and then there's a callback to that gag later on, and it makes the gag even funnier. Um, it's like that with a trick. It's like the professor's nightmare was perfect, and then there's this add-on that just not just the upper couple of bits hive as well.

SPEAKER_03 21:12

Amazing. Well, Professor's Nightmare is gonna stay there. Let's go to number six.

Updating A Signature Wallet Trick

SPEAKER_03 21:16

Magician's insurance card two.

SPEAKER_01 21:19

Ooh. Okay, this is gonna get changed.

SPEAKER_03 21:22

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01 21:23

Cool then, what for? Magician's insurance card three. So magician's insurance card was great, um, and it's great. It's a good it's one of my products. Um, and I've I've always loved the idea of having something in your wallet that you can just do a trick with. The trouble with insurance card one and insurance card two was they both relied on you forcing a card. Um the gags were good, the reveals were good, but I did feel like it was missing a trick because you had to force the cut. It would still stay on my list, I think. But the third one for me is is decidedly better because you have three cards selected. Or you can have you can have one card selected, or you can have three cards selected, or two cards, you can do it what you want, but none of the cards are forced, but the card still reveals them. So and it's got some newer gags in it, it's got some of the old gags on it as well. Um, but it just it's just a much nicer design for me, and it just works works better.

SPEAKER_03 22:35

So I I think what's interesting about it is it's a good mixture of gag versus magic.

SPEAKER_01 22:41

Yeah, very much so. It fits in your pocket, it's got good gags on there, which you don't have to use if you don't want to. Um but the magic is strong as well. But the gags I I find what really lacks with comedy magic is either the magic's really good and the comedy that they provide is really bad. Actually, that's all it is. I've I I can't think of one comedy trick where the the comedy the jokes applied to it have worked. Um, some some gags like The Prestige have got great built-in comedy, and that's fantastic. Um but yeah, this for me I wanted something that the the magic was strong, but the jokes were strong as well, so that everybody got something out of it.

SPEAKER_03 23:25

Okay, so it feels a bit it's more of a sidestep than a replacement, I would say. But we will give you magicians in Surah Card three. Um, right, last two hotshot.

SPEAKER_01 23:39

So hotshot is my own effect, it's not the released effect, um, which is my gun trick. Um, and again, a bit like the cigarette in jacket, it's not something I get to perform very much nowadays. So um the great Craig Petty had me at one of his shows uh a couple of years ago in Rougely, where he does a charity show, and I closed, well, I just did my whole set was my gun trick, uh, and it went down an absolute storm and I managed to film it, which was amazing. Um thank you, Craig, for that. Um, it was it was great, I love it. It it's it's something that I've never released or taught, but I'm looking at maybe doing next year. I I've filmed it, I'm not sure, I'm not sure. But it's it's one of my it's it's my favourite routine. Yeah. But I just don't get to do it very often.

SPEAKER_03 24:32

Well then the question we all want to know is are we keeping it or are we switching it out?

SPEAKER_01 24:37

I've got to keep it. This is my list for performing forever, isn't it? So yeah, I think I think if someone came to me today and said, Oh, we need to do a show and it's in this venue and you we want the gun trick, uh yeah, I'd I would I would put it straight in without hesitation.

SPEAKER_03 24:54

Okay, so we're taking a hot shot. Last one then, last chance to change one out. Magic coin.

SPEAKER_01 25:02

So again, this isn't just a coin trick, this is my magic coin, which is I talked about on the last one where a coin disappears and reappears under a pillow. I think I told you the story about the little boy who ended up doing his wedding years later. Um, it's it's it's a beautiful routine, it's something I'm so proud of, and something that really for me epitomizes what magic is and what it's about, especially with kids. Uh it's not a leary routine, it's not jumping about and screaming and shouting, it's not nothing actually happens, really. It's it's a very basic routine, but with so much power and emphasis, and uh it's just just for me, it's the one of the most perfect tricks ever. I just love it.

SPEAKER_03 25:44

And are we keeping it or are we ousting? 100%. Really? So, you know what? I'm not gonna say that Magician's insurance card is a change because it's still the same trick, it's just an updated version of it. So I think you are the first guest that we've had where your original list, which is supposed to be your ultimate list of tricks, has stayed your ultimate list of tricks. You've not changed any.

SPEAKER_01 26:06

That's mentalism.

SPEAKER_03 26:08

Well, we've only done like five episodes, so it's not hugely mental, but it's still interesting that you are the first person to do it.

SPEAKER_01 26:16

I stand by I stand by the list. I think it's a good list. I think the stuff on there is is all it's not like you know, oh well, I don't do card tricks anymore, I don't do this anymore, I don't do that anymore. It it's all quality. Uh I know I don't do the secret and shirt or the the gun trick as much, but if the if the opportunity arose, then yeah, definitely I would I would still be performing them regularly. Um it's just for me it that they're my favourite my favourite effects.

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SPEAKER_02 26:50

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SPEAKER_03 27:47

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Banishment: Stop Putting Magic Down

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season one, you did not have a banishment. So, Wayne, we're about to dig a big sandy hole on your island. We're about to throw something inside, never to be seen again. What would you like to banish?

SPEAKER_01 28:05

So for me, it's um I thought when you told me about this a little while ago, because I didn't realise about this, so I've been thinking about it this morning since I've been here. For me, I think it's the one thing I hate about magic, or the one thing I hate about magicians, and it's not in respect to them if that's their style, but the self-deprecation of what they do. When a magician goes up to the table and goes, I'm gonna show a card trick, I know, I know, it'll only be one, I know they're crap, or which I've heard magicians say that, or where they put down other magicians because they do card tricks, or they do sponge balls, or they do whatever, and it's that I I suppose maybe it's not so much ego, but it's it's more it's that negative negative attributes of what we do being pushed on the audience by a performer. You you you should never hear another performer come out and belittle something for what they do, even themselves, unless that's their personality and they're coming on and going, you know, they're they're playing a hapless magician or or or something like that. But just to go, um, oh here, I'll pick a card, don't worry, I only do one rubbish card trick, you know. I d uh the audience don't want that, and they might laugh embarrassingly along with it, but they want to be amazed, and they long they want, I mean, spectators love card tricks, you know what I mean? And when people say to me, Oh, oh, more card tricks, oh that's awful. Well, no, it's not, and the other thing that magicians do that with the same sort of vein is they imagine that just because they've heard a line or a gag like five million times, most spectators never have. So, like if when I when I do my lectures, I remember I was at a lecture once and I said, Oh, one of my favourite jokes is the Little Greater. I love the Little Greater joke, it always gets a laugh. I've got a nice little follow-on gag to it about my mate who's blind, which actually wasn't a gag, it was a true story. Um, which I kind of embellished it up a little bit to make it into the gag. It's an old gag about my blind mate. I got one from my blind mate, it was the most violent book he'd ever read, um, which is a great Jamie's laughing his head off here. Um but um yeah, it it it's when they go, Ugh, and you're like, Yeah, I know you've heard the joke, but you don't see Robbie Williams coming out and singing a song and the band going, Oh, not angels again. You know what I mean? They're fully behind it, they're fully on board with it, they're getting on with it. And I think that when magicians put each other down, especially in front of like muggles and the spectators, I think that's a really negative thing, and I think yeah, it's something to something to get rid of.

SPEAKER_03 31:02

Yeah, we've spoken about this quite recently. I can't remember which guest it was with, but the idea that when you put down magicians, you're not just putting yourself down, you're not just being self-deprecative to yourself, but you're actually putting down us as a community, yeah. And technically, we're all colleagues in this. So when you're painting magicians in a bad light or a negative light, you're doing that to everyone, you're doing that to the the entire industry, and throughout history, certainly if you look at sitcoms and and things like that. Uh I love modern family, it's a great program. Of course, Phil in that program is a magician or likes magic, and all the way through the the 11 seasons or 12 seasons of it, the magic's put down in in all the way through. You know, you've got the whole thing of you go on a date and it's a magician. Oh god, you know, there's so many of these cliches throughout time that a lot of people have tried really hard to get rid of that view of magicians, and then when people are out there performing, they're just bringing those ideas of what magicians used to be like back into the mainstream.

SPEAKER_01 32:13

Do you know what? This is really funny. I was I was at a gig probably about two months ago, two and a half months, it was a wedding uh at the beginning of the summer, and this woman arrived, and only the bride and groom knew who I was. And so they they came to from the wedding, and everyone's there. And I I go over and I the the bride and groom are there, I go over, I give the bride a kiss, I shake the groom's hand, congratulations. I'm talking about the first person to see them. Congratulations, oh my god, you look beautiful. Turn to the bride, so do you. Um, and then some woman comes over. Oh, so there's an ice cream van pulling up outside. Um, some woman comes over and she goes, Um, and the bride says, Oh, this is Wayne, he's our magician. And she went, Well, where's your top hat? Where's your bow tie? And I said, Oh, I'm not that kind of magician. And she went, You're all that kind of magician. And I went, Okay, yeah, maybe, yeah. I said, I must have left it in the car, but it said something. Later on, I was entertaining a big group of people, and she came over. I think someone said, You've got to come and look at this guy, he's really good. And I got a big group, and she came over and I saw her. And you know what it's like when everybody's smiling and laughing, but you will find the one person not, and that she was that one person, and then to her credit, afterwards, she came over to me and she said, I was really taken aback by what you did, you were amazing. I thought that routine was or what the routines you were doing fantastic. Um, you're really funny, very, very clever with the cards. Like, I couldn't see anything you were doing. I really like Jab. Can I have one of your cards, please? And and I know it could take a maybe from her point of view, what she said to me wasn't that bad, but from my point of view it was kind of like derogatory. But then she realised that we're not all that guy, we're not all got long shoes and red noses and arse about whatever. But she she was, you know, yeah, she she apologised. I phoned Tracy up and I went, That woman I told you about earlier, she just came and apologised to me. And Tracy's like, Really? And I said, Yeah, she's like my best mate now. Um, but yeah, there is a public conception of who we are and what we do, and when we put ourselves down, that doesn't help that. That just makes us look more foolish. And the person who says it is the one who looks the most foolish.

SPEAKER_03 34:28

Okay, so deprecation of magicians gone, banished. It's uh gone on your island. We have shoved several tons of sand on top, so it's never gonna come out again.

Dream Guest: Steve Martin On The Island

SPEAKER_03 34:39

So, Wayne, you get a guest, okay? So you've been on your island for a long time. I'm sure it's lovely there at this point, full of red spongeballs, no doubt. Um, but we're gonna give you a guest. Now, don't say when I I know exactly what joke you're gonna say when I said this. They can be dead or alive. Okay. Oh, I thought you were gonna put the joke in there. They can be dead or alive. Uh, you can have any guest on your island. Which magical guest would you have?

SPEAKER_01 35:05

I'd have someone alive. There we go. There we go. We knew it was coming. Um this person is alive. Um, he is a magician, but he's not known specifically for that. Uh I I'd love to have as a guest to talk magic, to show magic to uh Steve Martin. He he yeah. Steve's one of my favourite comedians, he's a very clever guy. Um yeah, I think Steve Martin.

SPEAKER_03 35:36

And of course he is a magician because he very famously is Flydini.

SPEAKER_01 35:42

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 35:42

Flydini. Flydini. Um go and see that.

SPEAKER_01 35:45

He worked in a magic shop in early in his career. He worked as a magic shop demonstrator. Um and he was a juggler as well. He started off as a juggler like Penn Gillette. Uh he started off doing juggling and and very quickly got into magic, uh, and then working in the magic shop. And but he I I saw him in an interview probably about ten years ago, and um they said, Oh, you're a magician, and he went, Well, yeah, I do a bit of magic, blah blah blah. And they said, Um, can you do something now? And he said, Yeah, sure. And he kind of like got no goes, can you do something with these cards? And he went, Okay, and he got the cards out, he perfect Pharaoh shuffle, and you can see that he keeps it up, he's not just you know, it's something that he's passionate about, and and he just did a basic, like ambitious card or something. It was very good, it was very good. And I was like, Yeah, that's because you think he's a movie star now, he doesn't have to do all that. The other one would be Paul Rudd, who got into magic because of a joke on Ant-Man 2 when he's under house arrest, and so he learns close-up magic from an online magic course while he's on house arrest, but he says that he's stuck with it, and of course, Chris Pratt from also from Marvel, who is an amateur magician who likes doing card tricks.

SPEAKER_03 36:57

Well, I saw just the other day Tom Holland as well. It seems to be a lot of these celebrities all have some sort of magic in their lives. I don't know if they just work on films or then they learn magic that way as well.

SPEAKER_01 37:11

There was um there's a there's an actor, he was in the TV show Hustle, not the real Hustle. Um, he plays Danny Blue, he plays the the young guy, and he was a magician, and um he just walks in and kind of blags his way onto the team. Uh, and he was genuinely a magician before he did that. Um, and I've seen him pop up a few times and talk about it, and he does magic and stuff, and he says that when they're not filming, he does Mark Warren, his name is uh he's done a few Harb and Corbyn things, and he was in Wanted with Angelina Jolie um and James McAvoy, and he um yeah, he says what when they're in their filming in between shots while they're setting stuff up, he'll do tricks for the crew, and you know, they seem to like that. There's loads of them. There's um Benedict Cumberbatch did the colouring book on on Graham Norton, and and of course he's Doctor Strange, so he's got popper magic, but um, yeah. Yeah, I think I I I I do wonder it's it's a bit like singing and dancing. You see these big film stars, and they're all trained in singing and dancing for for acting school. I wonder if magic goes hand in hand with that. They learnt they have a coup uh a term learning magic or something. Because it magic does teach you skill sets that are useful for other things, so it would make sense for them to learn. Oh, you've got to learn to acting is d lying, and the perfect way to lie is to do a magic trick, you know, that that kind of mentality, maybe. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 38:38

Well, poor Steve Martin is gonna have to put up with your one-liners on that island.

SPEAKER_01 38:42

I'm joking, he would love it.

SPEAKER_03 38:45

He is with you on that island. So uh let's go to um memory.

Best Memory: Sick Bag With Eye Holes

SPEAKER_03 38:50

So we're gonna give you a memory that you can replay over and over and over again. What memory would you like to to have on your island?

SPEAKER_01 39:00

I have I I have quite a few. My favourite one, or one of my favourite ones, is a bit disgusting, but it makes me chuckle. Like deep down, right inside, it makes me laugh. Um, I was working on North Sea ferries back in 1995, uh sailing out of Hull, and I I'm pretty sure because my memory, I can see the stage and the room. So it was the North Sun, so I was sailing from Hull to Rotterdam, uh to Urport in Rotterdam. Um, and it was really rough. It was really, really rough. Like most passengers were told, stay in your rooms, blah blah blah. You know, the the bars not going to be open because everything will fall off the shelves and all that. But there was a rule on board that if somebody came in for the shows, you had to do the shows. Yeah, you you weren't allowed to cancel because of advertising, they might say it's got to be done. So I'm you know, I'm just praying that nobody comes in. I don't get seasick, but I don't really want to be out there on stage, nobody's coming in. And I turned to the cruise manager and I said, I don't think anyone's gonna come in. He went, Well, it's two minutes to seven. If nobody comes in by one minute past, you can go up to your cabin. I'm like, okay. So I'm just sat there waiting, waiting. And one little boy walks in, sits on the stage, so I've got to go out and do the show. Now, to be fair, three other kids came in as well, but this one little boy is my hero. So I don't I never I never got him up, I'd never learnt his name, I'd love to meet him now. Uh just this kid, legendary. So it's really rough, and I'm doing the show, and I'm sat on the stage, I'm sat on a chair, so I don't fall over, and I'm doing all the tricks, and this little boy's feeling a bit rough, and his mum's given him a sick bag. So he's put the sick bag up to his face, and she's cut eye holes in the thick bag, so he can keep the bag in front of his face, but he can see me through the holes in the bag. And I'm not lying now, all the way through the show, this bag is getting fatter and fatter and fatter, and his mum comes over, takes it away, gives him another one, that goes on his face, and he's watching me again through the eye holes. And I had to think it was disgusting and it was awful, and I should have just said go to bed or whatever, but I couldn't not admire his resilience and his determination. The one thing he wanted was to see the magic show, and he did that despite what was going on everywhere else, and that would be my memory. Kid with a sick bag with eye holes cutting up.

SPEAKER_03 41:51

Now, what's really interesting is I've got to write the show notes. So I write the show notes as I go, and you've got memory, and obviously we've got the horror story coming up next, but the memory is gonna say this is how I've tagged it, eye hole sick bag. People aren't gonna know the difference between the horror story and and the memory that you really want to keep.

SPEAKER_01 42:12

It's just so funny. You look back now and you go, Why didn't his parents just say to him, Catch the magic show on the way home? There's one every night, you know. But he was just he was just there. It was just hilarious. It was just my my friend Paul, Paul Marlowe, who's a fantastic kid entertainer from up north, he was on another ship sailing from Hull to Zebrugga, and I just remember messaging him going, I've got to see you next time we're in port because I've got to tell you something you're not gonna believe. And it was just hilarious, it was genuinely hilarious.

SPEAKER_03 42:47

So, the story of a child with a sick hole, uh a sick bag with eye holes cut in is gonna be replaying on your island. There's there's just so many sentences in magic that you never think you're

Horror Story And The Ethics Of Animals

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gonna have to say, and that's one of them. Uh, but we're gonna take a horror story, Wayne, and we're gonna put it into a glass bottle, throw it out to sea, never gonna see it again. So, what is the horror story that you would banish?

SPEAKER_01 43:14

So, I I again, you know, like any professional who does, or anybody who does this for a while, you're gonna end up with loads of memories and horror stories. My my horror story, I can think of two or three really bad ones. This is probably the worst, and it involves me doing a children's show for a local hospice, and the front row is the kids, and then behind them is uh the kids who aren't in the hospice, and then behind them is the adults, and uh occasionally they would bring in in this situation, they did they would bring in like a special needs school, children with special educational needs, um, and they would bring them in, and they're all lovely, all the kids are lovely. And the kids who are poorly are so strong and so brave, they're they're they're inspirational. And the kids who have got special educational needs, they're just they just want to be treated like everybody else. And it's so wholesome and so wonderful to see and be a part of. And I'm very proud of the stuff I do for them. And I told the organiser, because she said to me, Well, what happened then? I told her afterwards, and she went, I don't know how I would have dealt with that situation. Um, so I used to have a rabbit, um, and he wasn't a little dwarf rabbit, he was quite a big fat rabbit. He didn't do much, he didn't move much. So I created a production where he would appear um in a cage, and he didn't have to do anything, I could just lift the cage off and he'd be there. And um, it wasn't a cage, it was a little house that you could open and show empty and then lift it off, lift off top it, and the rabbit would appear. And then the sides came apart, so then you could carry the rabbit on the tray, and the kids could come over to the table and stroke him, whatever. So I'm doing the show, I produce the rabbit. Everyone, please give a round of applause. It's Merlin, yay! Merlin the rabbit, and everyone comes over, and they make a queue, and right in the front, there's a little girl, she's about nine, ten years old, she's in a wheelchair, electric wheelchair, and she sent to the cave, and the cave says, Oh, can she can she hold the rabbit? So I see it's got some supports on the chair, so I I put the tray on the supports. I said, just be gentle with him, just give him a nice stroke. And uh she leans forward and puts her arms around it, and I hear a crack and I see the rabbit's head fall, and she's killed the rabbit by through no fault of her own, through not knowing her own strength and not knowing, and she she doesn't even know that what she's done, and she's hugging the rabbit, going, Oh, he's so soft, and he's so so furry, and the fur's so soft. And this is my pet as well, and I'm like, Oh my god, yeah, and I'm stood there, and all I can think of is I've got about 80 kids all waiting to stroke a rabbit that's now deceased in the arms of a young girl who's got special needs. And if I say, Oh, I think the rabbit's dead, or anything of that nature, that's gonna hit her so hard, and it's gonna be incredibly emotional for her to try and deal with that because she doesn't really understand. It's my pet, so I'm really upset. So Rocky comes to the rescue, and I say, Oh, I think he might have gone to sleep, and I take the tray back and I put it on the shelf, and I put a silk over the top, and I said, Oh, boys and girls, Merlin Merlin's got really, really tired, and I just brought Rocky out and I manipulated him and made him move, and I gave it to the little girl, and she hugged it, and then we just moved on. And then since that day, I've never used a live animal ever on stage or anything. And my belief is like because you don't know, it wasn't her fault. I want to make that really clear. If anything, it was my fault. I shouldn't have put it on her chair, but I didn't expect her to wrap herself into it, but it wasn't her fault, um, and she couldn't comprehend what she'd done. If I told her, she wouldn't comprehend it. Um, but I thought, right, if I give out Rocky, if they run off with it and rip it to shreds, I've just lost a Rocky, which is annoying, but no animal is hurt. So it's far better just to have lots of Rockies and use Rocky and let the kids stroke Rocky rather than risk another animal through whatever whatever reason anything happens to any of the animals. It's got yeah, you can't it can't be. So since that day I've never used another animal.

SPEAKER_03 48:03

Well, yeah, there's loads of things going on there because you've got like obviously you have to be professional and carry on performing, even though your pet has just been killed. You've also got an issue there of you know, you might even be a little bit angry at the fact that it's happened, but this child doesn't realise that they've done it, it was an absolute accident on their behalf, so you've got to deal with that. And then you mentioned all of the other kids that obviously want to see the animal, and all the way through all of this, you've just got to carry on. Yeah, you've just got to carry on and carry on performing, and there's nothing you can do, you know.

SPEAKER_01 48:42

I've heard stories from other magicians where they go to produce the rabbit and it's dead in the box, or the dove, and it's it's all these kind of things, and it makes you think, you know, I wanted to use a rabbit because I love the idea of the kids seeing the rabbit and stroking it, and it's a a great pool for them. And I think anything I'm not I'm not really for circus animals and stuff like that, but I do a lot of shows where they have like what they call petting zoos now, and you see the joy on the kids' faces, they can't really do anything, they just the animals are just there, but they can go over and stroke them and gentle and feed them, and and it's but it's sort of like the animals by by themselves don't really want to be there, you know. It it's they're not given a choice, and I think yeah, I'm so I'm kind of against it now in a in a way, but especially like the the magic with that, like I couldn't ever ever do I'd love to do a Lance Burton dove act, but I just wouldn't be able to, you know, yeah, it's not that wouldn't work for me because yeah, but yeah, yeah, it's it's it's so difficult because like I said, you know, you've got to keep the smile on and you're just thinking that's my pet. You know, he used to sit in the car, sit in the footwell on the passenger side, and I'd talk to him while I'm driving, and and and you know, there's my company, and you know, I'd be driving all this, me and Merlin would be having a chat and stuff. It was it was very sad. But yeah, I think that should qualify as a horror story.

SPEAKER_03 50:16

Yeah, it definitely does. And I mean, we've spoken about uh animals in magic. I remember talking to Edward Hilsome on his episode and Oliver Tabor on his episode, uh, specifically about dove magic, and I think Oliver, I think it was Oliver who was talking about you know, audiences maybe aren't in on animals being used anymore and the connotations of you know where birds are going. I think people are maybe a bit more clued up about what's going on.

SPEAKER_01 50:45

So I think put films like The Prestige touch on that as well because they kind of imply they never outright say it, but they kind of imply that they're killing doves every time they do the illusion. Uh, because he goes um he's talking to the little I think it's a little girl and she um the woman's daughter, and she goes, Um, but where's its brother? And and he goes, Oh, she's very clever, that one, because she's picked up on the fact that it's not the same bird that's produced again. So I think films like that have made it kind of a bit more mainstream that animals do get hurt, and then of course you've got very visual things like Siegfried and Roy, and I I think those those sort of things don't portray us in a good light anymore.

SPEAKER_03 51:26

Okay, well, that story is gone, you never have to worry about it. Right? No more rabbits are being killed. Uh let's end on a good note. Okay.

Dream Show: Copperfield’s Live The Dream

SPEAKER_03 51:35

A show. So this could be a show that you never got the chance to see, or a show that you love so much that you wish you could just watch it again.

SPEAKER_01 51:43

It's a really difficult question. There's a few things I would love to have seen. Like my one of my favourite magic shows, I'm a big Copperfield fan. Uh, and more so for the the heyday, so the flying Live the Dream show, which I saw live in um Barcelona and London, um um was amazing. I would I would say Live the Dream for me, flying Live the Dream, that that whole set, the original show that was filmed, would be saying I would want to see again and again and again, but then also um I would love to have seen Houdini, even just on the side of a river. I think I'd probably go for the Copper Field, the Copper Field at the doing the live show. He he always inspired me. I think that would have to be the the one I would have.

SPEAKER_03 52:38

Okay. I I quite like the idea of seeing um Houdini as well. Yeah, I think it would have been amazing to have seen him do one of the big escapes on the side of the the street.

SPEAKER_01 52:50

I think I would have liked to have seen him do some coin stuff and card stuff, because before he was the handcuff king, he was the king of coins and cards, and he would do random multiple shuffles and he would manipulate hundreds of coins in his hand, uh, or that's what the poster said anyway. Um but I would like to have seen what his ability, what his skill set was actually like with that. Because, you know, it could be like today with social media, it could be the best card magician you'll ever see, and and that might not be the case. And I wonder if Houdini was just such a good marketer that he was able to convince the world he was an expert card magician when he was just out there doing ambitious card and things like that, you know, whether his skill set actually was because you never really got to see that side of him.

SPEAKER_03 53:35

David Copperfield, 100%. I mean, we've had flying mentioned on this podcast a few times from people who just said they just love the illusion, and although they'll never be able to perform it for various reasons, it would just be amazing to have that trick to perform.

SPEAKER_01 53:53

Not even just that trick, I think everything he does on that show, everything that leads up to the big illusion at the end was just perfectly put together. I'm a I'm a big fan, a big fan of Coppyfield and a big fan of Joni Spiner, who was his choreographer, and she was the girl in most of the illusions. Uh, she died a couple of years back, unfortunately. Um, but yeah, when when Joni was on the show, she was uh you can see her influence on David and and the the what she brought to it. It was yeah, fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 54:25

Amazing. Well, that's a great way to round out. So you were the first guest that didn't change his list. So we've still got SpongeBob's thumbtip, Rocky Raccoon. Now we understand the link. Uh Split Dybok, Professor's Nightmare, Magician's Insurance card, but we're changing to number three. Uh, we've got a hot shot and we got the magic coin for your banishment. You uh put the deprecation of magicians, your guest is Steve Martin, your memory is the eye hole sick bag, your horror story is the death of a pet, and your show is David Copperfield. Anyone reading the show notes is gonna this is gonna make them want to listen, I tell you.

SPEAKER_01 55:00

But but it's all honest, it's all from the heart, it's all from you know, yeah. I I would like to think as well, we're talking about the tricks that the the the eight tricks. I like to think that if uh I didn't do anything else now for like ten years and I came back in ten years, I would still read out that list.

SPEAKER_03 55:19

Okay, well, maybe in ten years we're gonna revisit your island and we'll see.

SPEAKER_01 55:23

I'll be a lot skinnier then.

SPEAKER_03 55:25

That's a great way to close out your list.

Where To Find Wayne And Final Wrap

SPEAKER_03 55:27

If anyone wants to find out more about you and what you're doing, Wayne, where can they go?

SPEAKER_01 55:31

Um, my social media. Um, so I'm on Facebook, uh, I'm on uh Google. Um I don't know why I say gag. It's because I used to do a joke. I used to do um you could this is a Diamond Jim Tyler gag, and I said to him, I love it. Uh I worked with him a couple of times in Bristol and I said, I love that gag. Can I have the co.uk version and he said yes. And the gag was you can find me on YouTube, Twitter, Google, or Facebook uh YouTube uh, Google, Twitter, and Facebook. And if you type in you googlingtwitface.co.uk, it will go to my website. And then when I'm doing it on stage, you see little pockets of light opening up around the room as people get their phone out and they realise actually, yeah, if you go to you googlingtwitface.co.uk, you should go to Waynegoodman.co.uk. Um, yeah, on my social media or my um my own shop page, uh wgmagicshop.com. Um, yeah, where I set all my own original effects and presentations and bits and bobs.

SPEAKER_03 56:33

And where else can they see you? Alakazam Unlimited. There you go. You got that reference. That was good. Not like earlier.

SPEAKER_01 56:39

Yeah, Alakazam Unlimited. We've got we've got lots of things happening on there. We've got some new stuff that we've we've putting together for that at the moment. Um, and um yeah, and of course they could see me every Tuesday on the Alakazam live podcast thingy, as Peter calls it.

SPEAKER_03 56:54

Yeah, he's still not got that down, has he? Bless him. Amazing. Well, thank you so much for well, you didn't really have a choice because I literally just logged you in the studio and said we're gonna do this.

SPEAKER_01 57:03

Yeah, I'm gonna make you uh make you do this and then you can get some air.

SPEAKER_03 57:08

Amazing, and thank you all for listening. We'll be back next week with another guest, but until then, have a great week. Goodbye.

The 1914 Announcement

SPEAKER_00 57:19

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